Show Lengths??

ripple7501 · May 2023

Do you think the 2 hour show lengths are the norm now or will they get back to the 30 plus songs and close to 3 hour shows?

hairgrowth2001 · May 2023

24 song average (give or take a few depending) about 2 1/2 hr sets.

pjl44 · May 2023

I would go in expecting 2:15 and consider anything above that a bonus

droptheleash9 · May 2023

I'm guessing they'll bump it up slightly to 24-26 songs a night. Much shorter tour this go around than in 2022, when they had three legs. Either way, I would look at this tour as telling in terms of what we can expect on a go-forward basis - whether the shortened sets are here to stay or whether 2022 was just a one-off.

JojoRice · May 2023

Since they are still having an opening act, I'd say 24 songs will probably be the average.

JimmyV · May 2023

I think we are more likely to see sets similar to 2022 than we are 2013-2018.

HailHailVitalogy · May 2023

I think we get up to 27-28 songs this tour. The only back to back is Austin, with 2 days off between cities. I’ll be a little disappointed if it’s still 22-24 songs.

PJNB · May 2023

HailHailVitalogy said:

I think we get up to 27-28 songs this tour. The only back to back is Austin, with 2 days off between cities. I’ll be a little disappointed if it’s still 22-24 songs.

Same here. It makes no sense to me to have 22 songs a show and still have a day off between cities. They are adding a week to this tour with the days off they have chosen.

JimmyV · May 2023

I hope you guys are right...but I worry the days off are about merch sales.

nautical_disaster · May 2023

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

iOnlyownMymind · May 2023

I would prefer the tours we are getting 100%. No interest in the expense and extensive travel for the same set.

iOnlyownMymind · May 2023

I would argue that with the shorter sets they should be even more varied if sticking with the short run format.

PJNB · May 2023

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it.

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Spiritual_Chaos · May 2023

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it.

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room.

PJNB · May 2023

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it.

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room.

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation.

Last years tour compares nothing to the Foo Fighters setlist imo. Not even close. It is the step in that direction with song length but thats it.

nautical_disaster · May 2023

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it.

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room.

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation.

Last years tour compares nothing to the Foo Fighters setlist imo. Not even close. It is the step in that direction with song length but thats it.

Yeah I figured most hardcore fans would have the same argument

I'm all about varied setlists, but if a "Foo Fighters" model would happen, and they would show up close to home a few more times a year, that also sounds pretty damn good. Remember - most people have only seen pearl jam once or twice in their life. My show numbers are lightweight for this message board, but i've seen PJ way more times than any of my friends or family. Smaller packed venues? Sign me up (although it would be a ticketing nightmare haha). Again - i know I have the wrong audience for this suggestion...

DarthMaeglin · May 2023

I’m nowhere near the show count of others but I just listened to the Toronto 2022 show the other day (I was there), and I really felt that I got my money’s worth both live and recorded.

As has been said the fanbase has been essentially conditioned to expect close to 3 hour shows so maybe it’s us that need to adjust our expectations? If “shorter” shows is what the band needs to do to keep touring I’m fine with that but can see where others might feel some degree of disappointment.

devonfz · May 2023

Definitely that was the biggest complaint last year not the length of the shows, but there was a ton of similarity between all the sets very little variety maybe one or two surprises a night I personally don’t care if they play for an hour and a half as long as it’s a bunch of different songs I just don’t need to hear porch is the encore and alive is the closer every night and then they were doing even Flo corduroy given to fly elderly daughter almost every night. They literally did not play anything off no code and binaural all the way through lightning bolt maybe one song a night at the most off all those albums I’d like to see 24 songs is fine with me, but how about two or three songs per album and then even off versus I’d like to see them play go and leash and animal on a almost nightly basis, they play the songs, maybe one or two times the whole tour same with presenttense light-years whipping STBC‘s, parting ways, green disease, life wasted comatose and so on tons of other songs they can play.

DissidentRival74 · May 2023

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Definitely the way it is now. Our daughter and her friends went to the Taylor Swift concert and all she kept saying was "I wonder what the surprise song is going to be?" Couldn't imagine going to a Pearl Jam show and knowing what 99% of the songs I was going to hear were going to be. That's the greatest thing about their tours - it's still exciting to log on and see the final set list on the fanview threads the day after shows, LOL....

Spiritual_Chaos · May 2023

DarthMaeglin said:

I’m nowhere near the show count of others but I just listened to the Toronto 2022 show the other day (I was there), and I really felt that I got my money’s worth both live and recorded.

As has been said the fanbase has been essentially conditioned to expect close to 3 hour shows so maybe it’s us that need to adjust our expectations? If “shorter” shows is what the band needs to do to keep touring I’m fine with that but can see where others might feel some degree of disappointment.

I feel like people adjusted. In the end a concert is a concert. Or was it a lot easier to get tickets this US tour?

nautical_disaster · May 2023

DissidentRival74 said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Definitely the way it is now. Our daughter and her friends went to the Taylor Swift concert and all she kept saying was "I wonder what the surprise song is going to be?" Couldn't imagine going to a Pearl Jam show and knowing what 99% of the songs I was going to hear were going to be. That's the greatest thing about their tours - it's still exciting to log on and see the final set list on the fanview threads the day after shows, LOL....

Yeah there would definitely always need to be some wildcard songs...I just got the bug of seeing them live last year after a lengthy hiatus for me, so i'm just wishing for more shows haha. It's wild that we picked Pearl Jam as our favorite band, and they're still touring 32+ years later. We got lucky and picked a special band.

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