#46 President Joe Biden

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  • The Juggler
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    mace1229 said:
    If Trump ran against Biden today, I think both parties would be asking, really, this is the best we got?
    They already are. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    mace1229 said:
    If Trump ran against Biden today, I think both parties would be asking, really, this is the best we got?
    They were asking that in 2016 and 2020. (Actually some in every election I remember but Hillary / Trump caused that to skyrocket).

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    I legitimately don't know who the Dems would run if Biden didn't run, though. The well is really, really dry. Yeah, the GOP well is not dry because it's full of sewage, but that sewage motivates that particular base. What Democrat is going to get people to the polls?
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  • mace1229
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    OnWis97 said:
    I legitimately don't know who the Dems would run if Biden didn't run, though. The well is really, really dry. Yeah, the GOP well is not dry because it's full of sewage, but that sewage motivates that particular base. What Democrat is going to get people to the polls?
    Someone named Not Trump is enough to get most of them there.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I legitimately don't know who the Dems would run if Biden didn't run, though. The well is really, really dry. Yeah, the GOP well is not dry because it's full of sewage, but that sewage motivates that particular base. What Democrat is going to get people to the polls?
    Someone named Not Trump is enough to get most of them there.
    Well, Biden probably doesn't beat, say Mitt Romney in 2020.  So "voting against Trump" was a factor. I really wish the Dems could have a pull-factor though and not just the Trump push factor.
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  • The Juggler
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    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I legitimately don't know who the Dems would run if Biden didn't run, though. The well is really, really dry. Yeah, the GOP well is not dry because it's full of sewage, but that sewage motivates that particular base. What Democrat is going to get people to the polls?
    Someone named Not Trump is enough to get most of them there.
    Well, Biden probably doesn't beat, say Mitt Romney in 2020.  So "voting against Trump" was a factor. I really wish the Dems could have a pull-factor though and not just the Trump push factor.
    They will in '28. Lots of quality candidates that are not quite ready right now but should be by then. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I legitimately don't know who the Dems would run if Biden didn't run, though. The well is really, really dry. Yeah, the GOP well is not dry because it's full of sewage, but that sewage motivates that particular base. What Democrat is going to get people to the polls?
    Someone named Not Trump is enough to get most of them there.
    Well, Biden probably doesn't beat, say Mitt Romney in 2020.  So "voting against Trump" was a factor. I really wish the Dems could have a pull-factor though and not just the Trump push factor.
    They will in '28. Lots of quality candidates that are not quite ready right now but should be by then. 
    I'll be curious to see who. There are some Dems I like...but it seems like while the ideal GOP candidate has gone from "guy you want to have a beer with" to "miserable curmudgeon who hates the right people," the Dems still need something more akin to the "beer" candidate; someone that really energizes people. Obama did this.  Clinton did, too. All other Dems in my memory (Mondale) have not done this and they've all lost with the exception of the one that went against Trump. Now, since Trump is probably going to be the next candidate, that may give Joe a chance. But I really would love to see them get their next Obama.
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  • mrussel1
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    OnWis97 said:
    I legitimately don't know who the Dems would run if Biden didn't run, though. The well is really, really dry. Yeah, the GOP well is not dry because it's full of sewage, but that sewage motivates that particular base. What Democrat is going to get people to the polls?
    Newsome
    Whitmer
    Shapiro

    Any of these three would be good, particularly the last two who have shown themselves as being able to win big in a purple state.  
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
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  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    You're completely untethered from reality. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,235
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    You're completely untethered from reality. 
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  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    You're completely untethered from reality. 
    And to think, for one brief shining moment, I thought I was replying to someone who was making a rational comment for once. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    "it was a perfect call". 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,788
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    "it was a perfect call". 
    This was what inspired my 'untethered from reality' reply. 

    The phone call was text book extortion right down to the quid pro quo. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,097
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    "it was a perfect call". 
    This was what inspired my 'untethered from reality' reply. 

    The phone call was text book extortion right down to the quid pro quo. 
    i kind of like it when trump says "it was a perfect call". i mean, this is a fuckin dude who has never done anything perfectly in his life. always taking shortcuts, always cheating people that work for him, everything he has done has just been "good enough". you think he is going to make multiple "perfect" phone calls to world leaders and election officials in georgia? as far as i can tell seasoned politicians have never made anything "perfect" because everything they do is based on some sort of compromise usually.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,190
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    You know better than this. tRump controlled the DOJ for four years so don't act like he wouldn't have done something if he could. They had the fucking laptop and all that other bullshit under his dumbass reign.

    Of course nothing will come of this because it's bullshit. That is why no major news organization is even mentioning it. 
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  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    You know better than this. tRump controlled the DOJ for four years so don't act like he wouldn't have done something if he could. They had the fucking laptop and all that other bullshit under his dumbass reign.

    Of course nothing will come of this because it's bullshit. That is why no major news organization is even mentioning it. 
    Every time Comer is asked if he has any evidence Biden committed some kind of crime he says no. You want to talk about witch hunts, this is the definition. They're just hoping and praying they eventually find a crime. It's actually kind of funny. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Looks like we may not need Hunter's laptop after all.............


    Hi.  Can you identify the actual crime for me in this article?  Comer said they "appear" to be attempting to hide the source.  That's not a crime.  Comer said it may be influence peddling.  That's not an actual crime.  So tell me what the crime is?  

    If it is real crimes like money laundering, tax evasion and wire fraud, they would have known by now.  It's pretty easy to investigate if these funds showed up on tax returns.  
    Exactly- no one will prosecute this.  They’ll have to look through the rest of the families tax returns and see if they declared the money. It’s obviously unethical but when has that ever stopped a politician?  
    When you've lost Mr. RolemodelsinBlood, you know it's entirely full of shit. haha
    No, nothing about it is full of shit- those were subpoenaed documents that show the transactions.  The issue is the DOJ does the dems bidding, so they won’t prosecute.  The GOP, unless they’re involved themselves (?!) should take a page out of the dem playbook and draft articles of impeachment. Of course he won’t get removed from office, but just as they did with trump over a phone call, the spectacle and lining up of the Biden family folks involved for all to see is damaging enough in the eyes of the court of public opinion.  And I say they should do it unless they’re involved because for all we know the big asshats in the GOP may have been involved in one way or another over those years.
    So he should be impeached for actions by his family that occurred before he took office?