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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,062
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    "grabbed my junk and pummeled it at length". what, is this guy's junk made of stone? pummeled? 
    And what was the length?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
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  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,242
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    As sad as it is, I think you're dead on with this.  I give it another week, tops.
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,221
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    If Dems bail them out McCarthy will not stick to any promises.  That would be the stupidest thing they could do, opening the door for impeachment and Huter's lap top...and who knows what other hijinks.  Let the Rs sort out their own mess.
    If he did not follow his promises, then the D's could call for a new House speaker and start all over again.  Remember that's a concession already extracted, moving the number to five members vs a majority for a no confidence type of vote.  The D's would absolutely protect themselves that way. 
    Is that concession in writing on a legal document or just a promise from McCarthy though?  Republicans break promises all the time.  Better to get it all in writing first.  And could the minority party theoretically call a floor vote on replacing the speaker?  If so wouldn't that make them look bad for holding up the government, especially as it pertains to the right wing rage machine.  I say let the Republicans sort it themselves.
    As far as I know, the rules for the congress applies to all members, not just the majority.  Therefore, any member(s) could call for the no confidence vote. 
    Yes but we know how republicans act when it comes to rules and norms.  If there is a way to wriggle out of a commitment with dems to fuck things up they will do it.
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  • mrussel1
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
    Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.  

    But I disagree with H2M.  At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with.  I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress. 
  • The Juggler
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    There's no way people other than the deplorable base (and who gives a shit what they think at this point anyway?) will blame anyone other than republicans for this nonsense. Not happening folks. 
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  • cblock4life
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    +1.  And NP crying about past practice and how embarrassing this is….no, this is embarrassing for the RP, not everyone.  She should be laughing her ass off every time they ask her about this.  If history paints them all as assholes, like FF, they ALL deserve it. 

    And can a dem be elected SOH if they get the magic number with R voting for him?  There’s the hard left looney tunes solution.  
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    cblock4life said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    +1.  And NP crying about past practice and how embarrassing this is….no, this is embarrassing for the RP, not everyone.  She should be laughing her ass off every time they ask her about this.  If history paints them all as assholes, like FF, they ALL deserve it. 

    And can a dem be elected SOH if they get the magic number with R voting for him?  There’s the hard left looney tunes solution.  
    Yes. More likely would be a moderate R grows unhappy and puts up another moderate R. Kinzinger was on CNN last night saying there's like 15-20 R's from purple districts who would be the one's to watch in this scenario. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,797
    The Juggler said:
    There's no way people other than the deplorable base (and who gives a shit what they think at this point anyway?) will blame anyone other than republicans for this nonsense. Not happening folks. 
    The narrative I'm seeing is that this is healthy for the GOP...it shouldn't be easy, it's better than double digit inflation, open borders, etc.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
    Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.  

    But I disagree with H2M.  At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with.  I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress. 
    “Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.

    Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
    Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.  

    But I disagree with H2M.  At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with.  I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress. 
    “Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.

    Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
    I don't know that it would be McCarthy.  I am saying sometimes you take a win when you didn't expect it.  Remember, at this point the alternative might be even more power for the MAGA conference.  Do we prefer that or that there is a moderate Republican speaker?  For me, that choice is easy.  
  • static111
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    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
    Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.  

    But I disagree with H2M.  At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with.  I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress. 
    “Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.

    Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
    I don't know that it would be McCarthy.  I am saying sometimes you take a win when you didn't expect it.  Remember, at this point the alternative might be even more power for the MAGA conference.  Do we prefer that or that there is a moderate Republican speaker?  For me, that choice is easy.  
    I agree, but I think it should be on the Rs with no help from the Dems.  They will go back on any concessions and can't be trusted.  Let them own it all.  
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,797
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
    Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.  

    But I disagree with H2M.  At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with.  I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress. 
    “Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.

    Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
    I don't know that it would be McCarthy.  I am saying sometimes you take a win when you didn't expect it.  Remember, at this point the alternative might be even more power for the MAGA conference.  Do we prefer that or that there is a moderate Republican speaker?  For me, that choice is easy.  
    It's odd to me that Gaetz, et al, don't consider McCarthy as conservative enough. 
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  • josevolution
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
    at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree. 
    What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here. 
    you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
    Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.  

    But I disagree with H2M.  At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with.  I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress. 
    “Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.

    Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
    Agreed let GOP eat each other up they can’t be trusted one bit! Screw them! Damn them specially on the two year anniversary of Insurrection, if I’m the Democrats I want everything in writing signed by Kevin, no investigations into current administration, no holding Debt ceiling hostage! 
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  • The Juggler
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    Looks like there might be a deal
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  • mrussel1
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    The Juggler said:
    Looks like there might be a deal
    yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He is giving the Insurrection Caucus everything that they want.  It's like the old saying, you want something bad enough, well you're going to get it bad.  
  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Looks like there might be a deal
    yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He is giving the Insurrection Caucus everything that they want.  It's like the old saying, you want something bad enough, well you're going to get it bad.  
    Yep. Odds of having a new speaker at some point later this year are probably pretty good. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Looks like there might be a deal
    yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He is giving the Insurrection Caucus everything that they want.  It's like the old saying, you want something bad enough, well you're going to get it bad.  
    Yep. Odds of having a new speaker at some point later this year are probably pretty good. 
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