State of elections since 2020

gimmesometruth27 said:

america, enjoy your last night of relative peace for the conceivable future. i predict a shit show tomorrow and the days following. we will not know many election results tomorrow night, so that will only add to the anxiety. even if the gop gets trounced, most of them will not concede and will claim massive voter fraud, even given the strict voting laws they recently enacted.

josevolution said:

Just voted straight Democrat across the board feels great to vote in peace! 

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

Just voted straight Democrat across the board feels great to vote in peace! 

Yes!  Easy to choose this time around (except for some of the measures and propositions which are so often a conundrum and difficult to decipher!)

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

I feel like this has been growing for some time.  20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president.  If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet. 

Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate.  If anyone else won it's fraud.   Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost.  From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.

How is this different than 2016?
I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.

Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits?
I don't recall that ever happening.
I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.

In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.

Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?

it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America 

the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans 

To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below.
Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?

For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years.
And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,”  Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016.
Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here.
And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.

Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.

Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous. 

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Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

I feel like this has been growing for some time.  20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president.  If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet. 

Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate.  If anyone else won it's fraud.   Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost.  From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.

How is this different than 2016?
I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.

Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits?
I don't recall that ever happening.
I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.

In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.

Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?

it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America 

the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans 

To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below.
Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?

For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years.
And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,”  Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016.
Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here.
And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.

Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.

Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous. 

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The Juggler said:

They're already crying fraud