I feel like this has been growing for some time. 20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president. If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet.
Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate. If anyone else won it's fraud. Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost. From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.
How is this different than 2016? I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.
Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits? I don't recall that ever happening. I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.
In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.
Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?
it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America
the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans
To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below. Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?
For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years. And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016. Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here. And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.
Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.
Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous.
america, enjoy your last night of relative peace for the conceivable future. i predict a shit show tomorrow and the days following. we will not know many election results tomorrow night, so that will only add to the anxiety. even if the gop gets trounced, most of them will not concede and will claim massive voter fraud, even given the strict voting laws they recently enacted.
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I would guess that just about every GQP candidate will declare victory minutes after the polls close today. It's not just about winning...it's also about shattering the confidence in the process. Party first.
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I would guess that just about every GQP candidate will declare victory minutes after the polls close today. It's not just about winning...it's also about shattering the confidence in the process. Party first.
america, enjoy your last night of relative peace for the conceivable future. i predict a shit show tomorrow and the days following. we will not know many election results tomorrow night, so that will only add to the anxiety. even if the gop gets trounced, most of them will not concede and will claim massive voter fraud, even given the strict voting laws they recently enacted.
Exactly. We're are in for a bumpy ride no matter how this elections shake out.
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Just voted straight Democrat across the board feels great to vote in peace!
Yes! Easy to choose this time around (except for some of the measures and propositions which are so often a conundrum and difficult to decipher!)
And the unopposed judges.
I don't want to be "vote blue no matter who." But I feel I have no choice.
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I voted around noon two miles from my home. In all it took around 10 minutes without any drama. The poll workers were helpful and so polite in answering any questions asked of them. Especially vital to vote here in in Florida and I'm glad I did Especially since I was not sent an absentee ballot.
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I feel like this has been growing for some time. 20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president. If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet.
Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate. If anyone else won it's fraud. Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost. From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.
How is this different than 2016? I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.
Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits? I don't recall that ever happening. I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.
In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.
Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?
it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America
the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans
To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below. Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?
For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years. And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016. Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here. And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.
Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.
Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous.
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100% what? this is from July. It’s now November. Wasn’t sure back then if juggler was being sarcastic so I let it go. Yes Clinton advised Biden not to concede too early, but I wasn’t, and still not sure, how that compares to trumps strategic and comprehensive undermining of confidence in elections. “I win or it’s rigged” is literal totalitarianism.
FWIW the context for Hilary’s comment… was IF trump claimed victory, IF the election was close, THEN Biden should not concede IF all the votes were not yet counted.
I feel like this has been growing for some time. 20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president. If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet.
Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate. If anyone else won it's fraud. Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost. From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.
How is this different than 2016? I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.
Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits? I don't recall that ever happening. I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.
In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.
Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?
it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America
the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans
To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below. Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?
For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years. And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016. Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here. And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.
Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.
Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous.
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Had to reread all the quotes to remember what we were talking about. I never said Hilary’s and Trump’s actions were the same. I was just responding to the comment that only republicans claim election fraud. That is 100 % not true. Yes, Hilary didn’t file lawsuits and encourage a riot at the Capitol, I never said she did. But you can’t deny that she, and many others, claimed over and over again that Trump wasn’t the true winner. She even posted a video a week or 2 ago saying the GOP is already setting in motion plans to steal the 2024 election. So how can you say only 1 side ever claims fraud when they lose? They’re already claiming it for an election 2 years away. It might not be as wide spread on the left, but it still exists.
I feel like this has been growing for some time. 20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president. If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet.
Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate. If anyone else won it's fraud. Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost. From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.
How is this different than 2016? I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.
Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits? I don't recall that ever happening. I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.
In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.
Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?
it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America
the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans
To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below. Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?
For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years. And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016. Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here. And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.
Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.
Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous.
100%
100% what? this is from July. It’s now November. Wasn’t sure back then if juggler was being sarcastic so I let it go. Yes Clinton advised Biden not to concede too early, but I wasn’t, and still not sure, how that compares to trumps strategic and comprehensive undermining of confidence in elections. “I win or it’s rigged” is literal totalitarianism.
I was agreeing 100% with what Juggler said: “ There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous”
There is no both sides here. The comparison doesn’t exist, no matter how much people want to stomp their feet about what Hillary or celebrities or anyone else said.
Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.
Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.
Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.
There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate
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Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.
Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.
Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.
There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate
I voted around noon two miles from my home. In all it took around 10 minutes without any drama. The poll workers were helpful and so polite in answering any questions asked of them. Especially vital to vote here in in Florida and I'm glad I did Especially since I was not sent an absentee ballot.
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Good to hear it was a positive experience but what the heck is going on in FL? The state is starting to look like Alabama,Arkansas, etc politically. Especially Miami Dade?
In 2016 Clinton won Miami by 30 and yesterday Rubio/RDS won by 10, a 40 point swing in six years. I know the reports claim this is the Cuban vote, but 40 points seems like it’s a lot more than Latino vote, not sure this has ever happened in such a short period , especially considering Rs have not this kind of swing in their favor like this anywhere else in the country?
Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.
Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.
Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.
There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate
I lol'd, not gonna lie.
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Yes! Easy to choose this time around (except for some of the measures and propositions which are so often a conundrum and difficult to decipher!)
I don't want to be "vote blue no matter who." But I feel I have no choice.
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It might not be as wide spread on the left, but it still exists.
I can only say "good" to that if that means MAGAs are loosing. Too early to tell though. The next day or too will be interesting (understatement!)
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There is no both sides here. The comparison doesn’t exist, no matter how much people want to stomp their feet about what Hillary or celebrities or anyone else said.
Lauren Bobert was losing last I saw.
Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.
Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.
There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
In 2016 Clinton won Miami by 30 and yesterday Rubio/RDS won by 10, a 40 point swing in six years. I know the reports claim this is the Cuban vote, but 40 points seems like it’s a lot more than Latino vote, not sure this has ever happened in such a short period , especially considering Rs have not this kind of swing in their favor like this anywhere else in the country?
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana