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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Poncier said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    According to the WashPo, their analysis of what is outstanding to be counted gives Masto the slight edge in winning.  So that's nice.  

    By contrast, they give Lake the slight edge in AZ in the Gov race.  She's an interesting cat.  She was (and probably still is) a Democrat.  She's just a shameless TV opportunist.  

    But as a former democrat, why did she have to go full court election denial in a swing state that’s supposedly trending blue? Since FL OH and IA are all gone goodbye  for Dems , not sure where the dems can pick up states in the future for electoral collage and senate. Extremism still seems to work for the GOP, even in an election where Dems outperform expectations.


    In those three former swing states, the Dems are gone, history, outta here, join the cult or be gone,  while in the new blue states, GA, AZ , NV WI, and even VA ;) the GOP apparently are still a force to be reckoned with. Does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about senate and presidency in one year and 362 days.
    but in two years a few million more GenZ will be voting (and boomers dying)....and they don't vote red
    They just don't vote.  ;)

    No? But you did wink, so I assume you're kidding.
    I heard they were very helpful in showing up for this election.  We need to encourage Gen Z  kids.  They are now our best hope, just as I said Gen x were 20 years ago or my mostly failed boomer generation was 100 years ago (although we did some things right). 
    Only half kidding.
    Historically as a collective, young folks just don't turn out to vote in big numbers. This cycle their numbers seemed to improve, probably due to the Roe decision, but we'll see if that continues in future years.

    I hope it does.  Let's do what we can to encourage them!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,855
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    According to the WashPo, their analysis of what is outstanding to be counted gives Masto the slight edge in winning.  So that's nice.  

    By contrast, they give Lake the slight edge in AZ in the Gov race.  She's an interesting cat.  She was (and probably still is) a Democrat.  She's just a shameless TV opportunist.  

    But as a former democrat, why did she have to go full court election denial in a swing state that’s supposedly trending blue? Since FL OH and IA are all gone goodbye  for Dems , not sure where the dems can pick up states in the future for electoral collage and senate. Extremism still seems to work for the GOP, even in an election where Dems outperform expectations.


    In those three former swing states, the Dems are gone, history, outta here, join the cult or be gone,  while in the new blue states, GA, AZ , NV WI, and even VA ;) the GOP apparently are still a force to be reckoned with. Does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about senate and presidency in one year and 362 days.
    but in two years a few million more GenZ will be voting (and boomers dying)....and they don't vote red
    They just don't vote.  ;)

    No? But you did wink, so I assume you're kidding.
    I heard they were very helpful in showing up for this election.  We need to encourage Gen Z  kids.  They are now our best hope, just as I said Gen x were 20 years ago or my mostly failed boomer generation was 100 years ago (although we did some things right). 
    Only half kidding.
    Historically as a collective, young folks just don't turn out to vote in big numbers. This cycle their numbers seemed to improve, probably due to the Roe decision, but we'll see if that continues in future years.

    I hope it does.  Let's do what we can to encourage them!


    Young voters was a HUGE narrative in 2008 when Obama won. Remember that huge crowd in Germany? He was like a rock star. Almost Vedder like. The young ones loved Obama and the dem narrative supposedly. So if young voters are considered 18 to 30 and that was fourteen years ago, everyone under 45 should be part of this youthful voter blue wave. That should have been a huge part of the electorate. And the GOP went extreme right with trump, which should have alienated these voters even more.

     But it never materialized, still a 50/50 country and Dems are uncompetitive in 3 new states since then, making the senate and electoral college tougher to win each four year cycle . Voters get older, grumpier about taxes, and turn red.




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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    According to the WashPo, their analysis of what is outstanding to be counted gives Masto the slight edge in winning.  So that's nice.  

    By contrast, they give Lake the slight edge in AZ in the Gov race.  She's an interesting cat.  She was (and probably still is) a Democrat.  She's just a shameless TV opportunist.  

    But as a former democrat, why did she have to go full court election denial in a swing state that’s supposedly trending blue? Since FL OH and IA are all gone goodbye  for Dems , not sure where the dems can pick up states in the future for electoral collage and senate. Extremism still seems to work for the GOP, even in an election where Dems outperform expectations.


    In those three former swing states, the Dems are gone, history, outta here, join the cult or be gone,  while in the new blue states, GA, AZ , NV WI, and even VA ;) the GOP apparently are still a force to be reckoned with. Does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about senate and presidency in one year and 362 days.
    but in two years a few million more GenZ will be voting (and boomers dying)....and they don't vote red
    They just don't vote.  ;)

    No? But you did wink, so I assume you're kidding.
    I heard they were very helpful in showing up for this election.  We need to encourage Gen Z  kids.  They are now our best hope, just as I said Gen x were 20 years ago or my mostly failed boomer generation was 100 years ago (although we did some things right). 
    Only half kidding.
    Historically as a collective, young folks just don't turn out to vote in big numbers. This cycle their numbers seemed to improve, probably due to the Roe decision, but we'll see if that continues in future years.

    I hope it does.  Let's do what we can to encourage them!


    Young voters was a HUGE narrative in 2008 when Obama won. Remember that huge crowd in Germany? He was like a rock star. Almost Vedder like. The young ones loved Obama and the dem narrative supposedly. So if young voters are considered 18 to 30 and that was fourteen years ago, everyone under 45 should be part of this youthful voter blue wave. That should have been a huge part of the electorate. And the GOP went extreme right with trump, which should have alienated these voters even more.

     But it never materialized, still a 50/50 country and Dems are uncompetitive in 3 new states since then, making the senate and electoral college tougher to win each four year cycle . Voters get older, grumpier about taxes, and turn red.




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    Republicans went hard right with Trump and the youth rejected this in 2020. 65% voted for Biden and turnout in that group was higher than it was in 2016, at a little over 50%. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Go Beavers said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    According to the WashPo, their analysis of what is outstanding to be counted gives Masto the slight edge in winning.  So that's nice.  

    By contrast, they give Lake the slight edge in AZ in the Gov race.  She's an interesting cat.  She was (and probably still is) a Democrat.  She's just a shameless TV opportunist.  

    But as a former democrat, why did she have to go full court election denial in a swing state that’s supposedly trending blue? Since FL OH and IA are all gone goodbye  for Dems , not sure where the dems can pick up states in the future for electoral collage and senate. Extremism still seems to work for the GOP, even in an election where Dems outperform expectations.


    In those three former swing states, the Dems are gone, history, outta here, join the cult or be gone,  while in the new blue states, GA, AZ , NV WI, and even VA ;) the GOP apparently are still a force to be reckoned with. Does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about senate and presidency in one year and 362 days.
    but in two years a few million more GenZ will be voting (and boomers dying)....and they don't vote red
    They just don't vote.  ;)

    No? But you did wink, so I assume you're kidding.
    I heard they were very helpful in showing up for this election.  We need to encourage Gen Z  kids.  They are now our best hope, just as I said Gen x were 20 years ago or my mostly failed boomer generation was 100 years ago (although we did some things right). 
    Only half kidding.
    Historically as a collective, young folks just don't turn out to vote in big numbers. This cycle their numbers seemed to improve, probably due to the Roe decision, but we'll see if that continues in future years.

    I hope it does.  Let's do what we can to encourage them!


    Young voters was a HUGE narrative in 2008 when Obama won. Remember that huge crowd in Germany? He was like a rock star. Almost Vedder like. The young ones loved Obama and the dem narrative supposedly. So if young voters are considered 18 to 30 and that was fourteen years ago, everyone under 45 should be part of this youthful voter blue wave. That should have been a huge part of the electorate. And the GOP went extreme right with trump, which should have alienated these voters even more.

     But it never materialized, still a 50/50 country and Dems are uncompetitive in 3 new states since then, making the senate and electoral college tougher to win each four year cycle . Voters get older, grumpier about taxes, and turn red.




    .



    Republicans went hard right with Trump and the youth rejected this in 2020. 65% voted for Biden and turnout in that group was higher than it was in 2016, at a little over 50%. 

    Nice!  Go, youth!
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,855
    brianlux said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    According to the WashPo, their analysis of what is outstanding to be counted gives Masto the slight edge in winning.  So that's nice.  

    By contrast, they give Lake the slight edge in AZ in the Gov race.  She's an interesting cat.  She was (and probably still is) a Democrat.  She's just a shameless TV opportunist.  

    But as a former democrat, why did she have to go full court election denial in a swing state that’s supposedly trending blue? Since FL OH and IA are all gone goodbye  for Dems , not sure where the dems can pick up states in the future for electoral collage and senate. Extremism still seems to work for the GOP, even in an election where Dems outperform expectations.


    In those three former swing states, the Dems are gone, history, outta here, join the cult or be gone,  while in the new blue states, GA, AZ , NV WI, and even VA ;) the GOP apparently are still a force to be reckoned with. Does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about senate and presidency in one year and 362 days.
    but in two years a few million more GenZ will be voting (and boomers dying)....and they don't vote red
    They just don't vote.  ;)

    No? But you did wink, so I assume you're kidding.
    I heard they were very helpful in showing up for this election.  We need to encourage Gen Z  kids.  They are now our best hope, just as I said Gen x were 20 years ago or my mostly failed boomer generation was 100 years ago (although we did some things right). 
    Only half kidding.
    Historically as a collective, young folks just don't turn out to vote in big numbers. This cycle their numbers seemed to improve, probably due to the Roe decision, but we'll see if that continues in future years.

    I hope it does.  Let's do what we can to encourage them!


    Young voters was a HUGE narrative in 2008 when Obama won. Remember that huge crowd in Germany? He was like a rock star. Almost Vedder like. The young ones loved Obama and the dem narrative supposedly. So if young voters are considered 18 to 30 and that was fourteen years ago, everyone under 45 should be part of this youthful voter blue wave. That should have been a huge part of the electorate. And the GOP went extreme right with trump, which should have alienated these voters even more.

     But it never materialized, still a 50/50 country and Dems are uncompetitive in 3 new states since then, making the senate and electoral college tougher to win each four year cycle . Voters get older, grumpier about taxes, and turn red.




    .



    Republicans went hard right with Trump and the youth rejected this in 2020. 65% voted for Biden and turnout in that group was higher than it was in 2016, at a little over 50%. 

    Nice!  Go, youth!

    Sure, but my point is the accumulated impact of the youth as they age and in that process they become a larger share of the electorate. The projection in 2008 was democrats are the party of the future because as voters in their 20s enter their 30s, and 30s become 40s, the impact is a huge portion of the electorate become democrats. 

    It’s 14 years after Obama’s first win, and it’s obvious that never happened. If anything, elections are more difficult today than 14 years ago, as three new states, FL IA OH, are almost completely unreachable for democrats in terms of senate and electoral college victories. It seems pretty clear that once these pro democrat voters age, many of them become…republicans. 


  • mickeyrat
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    brianlux said:
    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    According to the WashPo, their analysis of what is outstanding to be counted gives Masto the slight edge in winning.  So that's nice.  

    By contrast, they give Lake the slight edge in AZ in the Gov race.  She's an interesting cat.  She was (and probably still is) a Democrat.  She's just a shameless TV opportunist.  

    But as a former democrat, why did she have to go full court election denial in a swing state that’s supposedly trending blue? Since FL OH and IA are all gone goodbye  for Dems , not sure where the dems can pick up states in the future for electoral collage and senate. Extremism still seems to work for the GOP, even in an election where Dems outperform expectations.


    In those three former swing states, the Dems are gone, history, outta here, join the cult or be gone,  while in the new blue states, GA, AZ , NV WI, and even VA ;) the GOP apparently are still a force to be reckoned with. Does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about senate and presidency in one year and 362 days.
    but in two years a few million more GenZ will be voting (and boomers dying)....and they don't vote red
    They just don't vote.  ;)

    No? But you did wink, so I assume you're kidding.
    I heard they were very helpful in showing up for this election.  We need to encourage Gen Z  kids.  They are now our best hope, just as I said Gen x were 20 years ago or my mostly failed boomer generation was 100 years ago (although we did some things right). 
    Only half kidding.
    Historically as a collective, young folks just don't turn out to vote in big numbers. This cycle their numbers seemed to improve, probably due to the Roe decision, but we'll see if that continues in future years.

    I hope it does.  Let's do what we can to encourage them!


    Young voters was a HUGE narrative in 2008 when Obama won. Remember that huge crowd in Germany? He was like a rock star. Almost Vedder like. The young ones loved Obama and the dem narrative supposedly. So if young voters are considered 18 to 30 and that was fourteen years ago, everyone under 45 should be part of this youthful voter blue wave. That should have been a huge part of the electorate. And the GOP went extreme right with trump, which should have alienated these voters even more.

     But it never materialized, still a 50/50 country and Dems are uncompetitive in 3 new states since then, making the senate and electoral college tougher to win each four year cycle . Voters get older, grumpier about taxes, and turn red.




    .



    Republicans went hard right with Trump and the youth rejected this in 2020. 65% voted for Biden and turnout in that group was higher than it was in 2016, at a little over 50%. 

    Nice!  Go, youth!

    Sure, but my point is the accumulated impact of the youth as they age and in that process they become a larger share of the electorate. The projection in 2008 was democrats are the party of the future because as voters in their 20s enter their 30s, and 30s become 40s, the impact is a huge portion of the electorate become democrats. 

    It’s 14 years after Obama’s first win, and it’s obvious that never happened. If anything, elections are more difficult today than 14 years ago, as three new states, FL IA OH, are almost completely unreachable for democrats in terms of senate and electoral college victories. It seems pretty clear that once these pro democrat voters age, many of them become…republicans. 


    state and national party need to do a better job of reaching the 4 million registered unaffiliated voters who DID NOT vote this cycle.


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  • Lerxst1992
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    If after seven years of the trump era and an armed attack on the US Capitol they still don’t vote, not sure what it would take to get them to the polls? A nuclear attack by Putin maybe? Guess it really wouldn’t matter after that. 
  • Bentleyspop
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Lerxst1992 said:
    If after seven years of the trump era and an armed attack on the US Capitol they still don’t vote, not sure what it would take to get them to the polls? A nuclear attack by Putin maybe? Guess it really wouldn’t matter after that. 

    Maybe instead how about better education.   There have been a number of studies that show that improved education leads to stronger voting participation (and surely voters make more intelligent choices).


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  • The Juggler
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    Bentleyspop said:


    The stupidity is off the charts. I love it.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    i guess they stayed home and did not vote. you know, to own the libs.

    dumbasses.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,586
    The way it looks Republicans will take the house & the Senate is very much a toss up! So I’m not sure why Democrats & Biden are giddy about election results! 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,831
    josevolution said:
    The way it looks Republicans will take the house & the Senate is very much a toss up! So I’m not sure why Democrats & Biden are giddy about election results! 
    It's all very weird to me.  We lost...but not by as much!!!  I mean I understand but if it happens, still not a victory.

    Also - what pisses me off the most, a candidate of a party will win the election by 0.2% of the vote...heck even if they win it by 5% of the vote...that means 45% of the voters in their district, state, whatever did not vote for them.  They are elected to represent their district, state, whatever....not just those that voted for them.  But that would take integrity.
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  • The Juggler
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    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    The way it looks Republicans will take the house & the Senate is very much a toss up! So I’m not sure why Democrats & Biden are giddy about election results! 
    It's all very weird to me.  We lost...but not by as much!!!  I mean I understand but if it happens, still not a victory.


    Well because in the last 40 years, not counting W and his dad during times of war, this is how many seats the incumbent lost: 40, 63, 52, 26. incumbents always get crushed in the midterms during their first term. So losing only a handful in a time of record inflation and abysmal approval rating for Biden is definitely considered a victory of sorts.....especially if they hold the senate. 


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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,586
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    The way it looks Republicans will take the house & the Senate is very much a toss up! So I’m not sure why Democrats & Biden are giddy about election results! 
    It's all very weird to me.  We lost...but not by as much!!!  I mean I understand but if it happens, still not a victory.

    Also - what pisses me off the most, a candidate of a party will win the election by 0.2% of the vote...heck even if they win it by 5% of the vote...that means 45% of the voters in their district, state, whatever did not vote for them.  They are elected to represent their district, state, whatever....not just those that voted for them.  But that would take integrity.
    Losing control of both houses I def would not call it a victory maybe a moral victory at best! 
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Boebert now leading by 400 votes....still haven't called it yet but looks like she will take it to me
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I kept reading that the areas left to count were largely blue, so people were expecting her to lose based on that. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I kept reading that the areas left to count were largely blue, so people were expecting her to lose based on that. 

    I hope!
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769

    Funny how none of the MAGAts are crying about this count taking several days, which is an about face from their attitude going into Tuesday. 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,218
    Can I ask why it takes Arizona so long to count votes while other states can do it within hours? I’m not insinuating anything. I’m genuinely asking for my own curiosity and lack of knowledge on the process there. 

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