State of elections since 2020

Merkin Baller

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

I feel like this has been growing for some time.  20 years ago it felt like when Republicans won't an election, it was be patriotic, be American, and support you president.  If a democrat won, all those same people went quiet. 

Now it's evolved to.. if our guy won the election is completely legitimate.  If anyone else won it's fraud.   Like it's inconceivable an election can be lost.  From the outside looking in, it seems pretty crazy.

How is this different than 2016?
I know the usuals are going to say I’m just both siding it. But I don’t see how anyone can deny that’s what happened from 2016-2020. So to only criticize one party doesn’t seem fair.

Are you saying that people on the left claimed the election was rigged, stolen, a fraud? Asking for multiple recounts and filing multiple frivolous lawsuits?
I don't recall that ever happening.
I do recall democrats being freaked out that a con-artist with the solid backing of white supremacists and vlad poo tin won.

In 2020 and I'm sure in every ensuing election in our lifetime the regressives will throw tantrums and scream "it was rigged" every time one of their candidates loses. But if they win, whether by 1 vote or a million, they will claim everything was perfect and it was a beautiful well run election.

Did Clinton not concede within eight hours of election day 2016?

it’s concerning middle right like mace have views such as “it’s both parties.” Clinton conceded immediately, and trump said six months before the election, thru today, “either I win or it’s rigged.” Has any democrat made that claim? Voting for that ace is supporting authoritarianism in America 

the fact that trump asked for help from a murderous dictator and was subsequently investigated for that does not equate to the authoritarian rhetoric from republicans 

To the bold. Yes. Hilary. Quoted below.
Why does it come down to just what Hilary did? Do you not recal the many protests against the inauguration? The commercials featuring celebrities asking the EC not to actually vote the way their state did and essentially ignoring the election results? The record number of politicians who boycotted the inauguration? The many many people on social media saying a trump will never be their president?

For 4 years we heard nothing but “this was won by misinformation, this election wasn’t legitimate.” Am I the only one who remembers that? It was pretty big news for 4 years.
And you bring up Trump saying he won’t concede if he loses, did you forget Hilary said this in 2020 as well? ““Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,”  Even prior to the 2030 election she referred to Trump as an illegitimate president and that it was stolen. I fail to see how you’re a consirpacy nut for saying that in 2020, but totally acceptable if it’s about 2016.
Trying to delegitimilize the election in public opinion isn’t a one-sided strategy that started in 2020 like it’s being portrayed here.
And for the record, Biden did win in 2020. Trump lost. I’m just saying this whole protesting the results isn’t as one sided as it’s being played out to be.

Sorry, missed this. Difference is Hilary conceded in 2016, trump did not in 2020. Regarding 2020, she is referring to the trump plan of claiming victory on election night before all votes are counted. I agree her language went too far, but I am not sure she supported a revolution to overthrow the results of the election, had trump won 270 electoral votes. She was imploring Biden to fight off trumps plan to rig the election by lying about fraud.

Thank for rationally explaining everything here. There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous. 

100% 

100% what? this is from July. It’s now November. Wasn’t sure back then if juggler was being sarcastic so I let it go. Yes Clinton advised Biden not to concede too early, but I wasn’t, and still not sure, how that compares to trumps strategic and comprehensive undermining of confidence in elections. “I win or it’s rigged” is literal totalitarianism.

I was agreeing 100% with what Juggler said: “ There is no bothsidesing this issue. Not even remotely close, although I didn't like what she said either. But, still, it's not the same thing. To insinuate that it is is just disingenuous”

There is no both sides here. The comparison doesn’t exist, no matter how much people want to stomp their feet about what Hillary or celebrities or anyone else said. 

josevolution

So there might not be any spiking of the ball here by our fellow MAGA posters or is it too early still? 

cblock4life

I guess the results show that the country won’t tolerate totalitarianism.  The economy can be fixed.  Thank goodness trumps people went down.  

tbergs

I don't know, the fact that 164 election deniers have already won their race doesn't seem to bode well.

mrussel1

tbergs said:

I don't know, the fact that 164 election deniers have already won their race doesn't seem to bode well.

They were election deniers because that's what plays in their districts. Question is how many new ones replaced a D. I don't think any thus far.

Lauren Bobert was losing last I saw. 

tempo_n_groove

Heres a gem.  She says the "fire Nancy Pelosi" at the very end.  This is someone from my state over in Staten Island.
https://youtu.be/zRkE7PcsGCA

Gern Blansten

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Merkin Baller

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

I lol'd, not gonna lie. 

Lerxst1992

g under p said:

I voted around noon two miles from my home. In all it took around 10 minutes without any drama.  The poll workers were helpful and so polite in answering any questions asked of them. Especially vital to vote here in in Florida and I'm glad I did Especially since I was not sent an absentee ballot.

✌️

Good to hear it was a positive experience but what the heck is going on in FL? The state is starting to look like Alabama,Arkansas, etc politically. Especially Miami Dade? 

In 2016 Clinton won Miami by 30 and yesterday Rubio/RDS won by 10, a 40 point swing in six years. I know the reports claim this is the Cuban vote, but 40 points seems like it’s a lot more than Latino vote, not sure this has ever happened in such a short period , especially considering Rs have not this kind of swing in their favor like this anywhere else in the country?

Gern Blansten

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

I lol'd, not gonna lie. 

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

ohio isnt independent commission. giv, lt gov, majority leader of both chambers and minority leader of both chambers. thats the commission.

now the minority leaders MUST agree with map as drawn. if not map sticks for 4 yrs.

Gern Blansten

Yeah I think the GOP will control the house but this is no red tsunami. That's a victory given inflation, Biden's approval rating, etc.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

If GOP wins both NV and GA, doesn't that make it 50/50?  Am I counting wrong here?  If it's split, then the D's fundamentally control through the VP.  

The Juggler

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah I think the GOP will control the house but this is no red tsunami. That's a victory given inflation, Biden's approval rating, etc.

It's actually gotta be considered one of the best midterms for a first term president in a reeeeeaaaaaally long time. 

lolmaga

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

If GOP wins both NV and GA, doesn't that make it 50/50?  Am I counting wrong here?  If it's split, then the D's fundamentally control through the VP.  

Every source I see is giving 2 seats to "other" parties. I'm not sure who that is and who they align with more often. But that would make it 48/50

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

If GOP wins both NV and GA, doesn't that make it 50/50?  Am I counting wrong here?  If it's split, then the D's fundamentally control through the VP.  

Every source I see is giving 2 seats to "other" parties. I'm not sure who that is and who they align with more often. But that would make it 48/50

Bernie and Angus caucus with the dems, if it holds, 50/50.

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

If GOP wins both NV and GA, doesn't that make it 50/50?  Am I counting wrong here?  If it's split, then the D's fundamentally control through the VP.  

Every source I see is giving 2 seats to "other" parties. I'm not sure who that is and who they align with more often. But that would make it 48/50

independents. 1 from Maine - Angus King and Bernie who both caucus with Ds

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

If GOP wins both NV and GA, doesn't that make it 50/50?  Am I counting wrong here?  If it's split, then the D's fundamentally control through the VP.  

Dems Down 22,000 votes in NV with 72% reporting and if Libertarian voters turn out for Walker, he wins GA runoff, GOP would flip two seats and conceivably take the senate.

The Juggler

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Crazy stuff....I woke up at 4am and checked results. Glad to see Fetterman beat that piece of tRumpshit Oz.

Also nice to see AZ results thus far...hopefully the Dem advantage holds tonight when Maricopa finalizes.

Sucks that Warnock isn't the clear winner but he has the clear advantage in the runoff. Plus more abortions will probably pop up for Walker in the interim.

There is hope for dems...GenZ clearly stepped up to the plate

Dems could still lose both house and senate, and the House is likely going to be decided by NYS due to poor Dem turnout. 2 key factors, not sure how much reporting there is on this, but it’s probably going to make mccarthy speaker.


1 - Republican judge overruled Dems in drawing new maps, up to five seats could be lost by Dems in NY. FWIW, OHIO has very similar laws to NY (state constitution calls for independent commission to draw maps), but OH legislature said FU to the courts and drew a heavily gerrymandered map. So NY plays by the rules, OH does not and GOP gets the House as a result 



2 - Covid Covid Covid, believe it or not. NY strong regulation on Covid laws pissed off…the teachers, a very strong, usually very blue turnout. There was definitely a red wave in NY in addition to the pro GOP congress maps. Cuomo won last time by almost 25, Hochul won by six.

If GOP wins both NV and GA, doesn't that make it 50/50?  Am I counting wrong here?  If it's split, then the D's fundamentally control through the VP.  

Dems Down 22,000 votes in NV with 72% reporting and if Libertarian voters turn out for Walker, he wins GA runoff, GOP would flip two seats and conceivably take the senate.

The problem in a GA runoff for Republicans will be the same problem they had two years ago.....Donald fucking Trump. lol. You know he will insert himself into that mess to help his candidate, especially if he actually announces his candidacy soon. Lol.