Harry Styles, PJ MSG

sgtppr67 said:

A couple of relevant questions:

1) What year did Phish do 13 nights? Was every night sold out?

2) What evidence is there Phish would sell out 13 nights at MSG in 2022?

2017, not only did they sell it out they didn't repeat a song over the entire run with each nights setlist being themed to the doughnut they gave out at the door. I bet given enough advertisement and media coverage and they could do it again Hippies are crazy

JH6056 said:

sgtppr67 said:

A couple of relevant questions:

1) What year did Phish do 13 nights? Was every night sold out?

2) What evidence is there Phish would sell out 13 nights at MSG in 2022?

2017, not only did they sell it out they didn't repeat a song over the entire run with each nights setlist being themed to the doughnut they gave out at the door. I bet given enough advertisement and media coverage and they could do it again Hippies are crazy

I don't even like Phish and I'd go to at least 2 shows just to get the donut and then see what musically happened because of the donut. I absolutley love that idea and posted upthread about how fun PJ taking a similar approach with different mystery guests each night and all could be.  Also referenced the Taylor Hawkins celebrations and how it really takes someone widely loved and respected in music communities to pull off what Grohl has with all those epic classic bands and also newer artists all playing classic music together... PJ's extended circle is a bit different probably but they have SO many talented friends, a different theme and surprise guests each time & also no repeats or maybe a few but a promise to play the ENTIRE PJ catalogue plus covers across all the nights would definitely make it worth it for many people to go to multiple shows.

The donut thing kills me! Anyone know, was it Krispy Kreme (which is in Penn Station below MSG), or Dunkin, or who provided the donuts?   20,000 donuts each night for 13 nights brings a whole new meaning to "TIme to make the donuts..."

on2legs said:

Federal Donuts are legit. 

droptheleash9 said:

You can’t compare what Phish does with their sets to what Pearl Jam does. The amount of thought and creativity that goes into the Phish sets is truly unparalleled, particularly with the NYE and Halloween shows (look up some of the stories behind what Trey does…you’ll be amazed). They are at the top of the list when it comes to the uniqueness of their sets. That said, Phish sets are seemingly catered to the hardcore fan only. Before the mob starts throwing stones at me (how dare another band be better at anything than Pearl Jam!) I’d rather see PJ 11 times out of 10 over Phish. I much prefer how Pearl Jam’s sets are 75% a mix and 25% staples…like Springsteen, they do an unbelievable job of catering to both hardcore and casual fans alike.

droptheleash9 said:

JH6056 said:

droptheleash9 said:

You can’t compare what Phish does with their sets to what Pearl Jam does. The amount of thought and creativity that goes into the Phish sets is truly unparalleled, particularly with the NYE and Halloween shows (look up some of the stories behind what Trey does…you’ll be amazed). They are at the top of the list when it comes to the uniqueness of their sets. That said, Phish sets are seemingly catered to the hardcore fan only. Before the mob starts throwing stones at me (how dare another band be better at anything than Pearl Jam!) I’d rather see PJ 11 times out of 10 over Phish. I much prefer how Pearl Jam’s sets are 75% a mix and 25% staples…like Springsteen, they do an unbelievable job of catering to both hardcore and casual fans alike.

I agree, I think it's so different. Phish caters to the hardcore fan, but just like the hardcore Grateful Dead fans would see EVERY SHOW they could because every show was different, there was evidence from Phish ticket sales that that idea of changing donuts & themes would work in one place for was it 13 nights?  That wasn't some wild gamble. There was a calculated risk based on demand evidence that showed it would work.

I don't know what they do on NYE and Halloween, but I believe you that to Phish fans it's incredible. Like you, I'd much rather see PJ than Phish but to mcgruff10's point, PJ has only played the same venue 3/4 times twice EVER, and it's unclear even all those shows sold out and those were still closer to more "active" touring. Still no real evidence of 15 shows even selling "well" never mind sold out totally (although the original theory was that this would be a guaranteed sell out, which, no, nothing really indicating that is likely at all.

Yup. Agree with your points above. I’m in the camp that I don’t necessarily think PJ could sell out 15 straight nights at MSG.

on2legs said:

droptheleash9 said:

JH6056 said:

droptheleash9 said:

You can’t compare what Phish does with their sets to what Pearl Jam does. The amount of thought and creativity that goes into the Phish sets is truly unparalleled, particularly with the NYE and Halloween shows (look up some of the stories behind what Trey does…you’ll be amazed). They are at the top of the list when it comes to the uniqueness of their sets. That said, Phish sets are seemingly catered to the hardcore fan only. Before the mob starts throwing stones at me (how dare another band be better at anything than Pearl Jam!) I’d rather see PJ 11 times out of 10 over Phish. I much prefer how Pearl Jam’s sets are 75% a mix and 25% staples…like Springsteen, they do an unbelievable job of catering to both hardcore and casual fans alike.

I agree, I think it's so different. Phish caters to the hardcore fan, but just like the hardcore Grateful Dead fans would see EVERY SHOW they could because every show was different, there was evidence from Phish ticket sales that that idea of changing donuts & themes would work in one place for was it 13 nights?  That wasn't some wild gamble. There was a calculated risk based on demand evidence that showed it would work.

I don't know what they do on NYE and Halloween, but I believe you that to Phish fans it's incredible. Like you, I'd much rather see PJ than Phish but to mcgruff10's point, PJ has only played the same venue 3/4 times twice EVER, and it's unclear even all those shows sold out and those were still closer to more "active" touring. Still no real evidence of 15 shows even selling "well" never mind sold out totally (although the original theory was that this would be a guaranteed sell out, which, no, nothing really indicating that is likely at all.

Yup. Agree with your points above. I’m in the camp that I don’t necessarily think PJ could sell out 15 straight nights at MSG.

15 straight nights? Harry Styles is playing 15 shows over a month long period.  Not 15 straight nights.  

danofun said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JH6056 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

JH6056 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Selling out MSG has to be the easiest arena in the world to sell out.  

Bands who are selling out arenas all over on their current tours, no one should be surprised they sell out MSG. Most arenas are about the same size, 20,000 people.  So when you say "MSG has to be the easiest arena in the world to sell out", what do you mean? Sure everyone wants to play it, it's literally the most famous arena in the world. But you also usually only get booked there when promoters & bookers believe you have that much demand that it will sell well if not sell out.

To me your comment only makes sense if bands who otherwise are NOT selling out arenas on the rest of their tour, regularly sell out MSG. Do you have examples of that, or what are you basing "easiest arena to sell out" on? 

I believe he means that the New York area has a lot of people.

I don't think KISS sold out MSG now on the End of the Road tour. Ace joked about it.

It's true, it does have a lot of people, but I'm a New Yorker and the other side of that coin is that New Yorkers are also spoiled as hell. Many bands make multiple runs through NYC on the same tour, and we also have ridiculous amount of choices for who we see in that NYC is one city just about EVERY band wants to play. Nothing about that makes MSG particularly "easy" to sell out, and since in the greater NYC area we also have whatever the Meadowlands is called now in NJ and Barclay's Center in Brooklyn, there are also 3 immediate area arenas for bands to play.

MSG is only easy to sell out if you're a band in high demand, and if you are, you're likely selling out most other arenas on your tour as well. So still curious what makes MSG "the easiest in the world to sell out" as compared to any others.

MSG PJ is by far the toughest ticket I have ever experienced here in NY, and the band has never come close to matching demand here with shows. The last multi night NYC stop at MSG was 2016, and odds to get TC tix were in the single digits.

To this day I can’t recall ever seeing a “blue dot” on the TM for sale page for a PJ show, nor heard a TM phone operator say “sure we have plenty of PJ tix to choose from, would you like a pair in 107.” Neither has ever happened. 

So before saying it’s not possible, why don’t we wait for the day you can buy an MSG ticket at face without beating the five percent odds on TC? That day will probably never come

Would love to see them try, but better yet, how about a full US tour can be done in about 25 shows, when they are ready, and it’s been 11 years since the NE saw a full run of shows outside of a small handful in 2016. 

Have to agree. Is there a more difficult MSG ticket to acquire anywhere near face than PJ?

danofun said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JH6056 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

JH6056 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Selling out MSG has to be the easiest arena in the world to sell out.  

Bands who are selling out arenas all over on their current tours, no one should be surprised they sell out MSG. Most arenas are about the same size, 20,000 people.  So when you say "MSG has to be the easiest arena in the world to sell out", what do you mean? Sure everyone wants to play it, it's literally the most famous arena in the world. But you also usually only get booked there when promoters & bookers believe you have that much demand that it will sell well if not sell out.

To me your comment only makes sense if bands who otherwise are NOT selling out arenas on the rest of their tour, regularly sell out MSG. Do you have examples of that, or what are you basing "easiest arena to sell out" on? 

I believe he means that the New York area has a lot of people.

I don't think KISS sold out MSG now on the End of the Road tour. Ace joked about it.

It's true, it does have a lot of people, but I'm a New Yorker and the other side of that coin is that New Yorkers are also spoiled as hell. Many bands make multiple runs through NYC on the same tour, and we also have ridiculous amount of choices for who we see in that NYC is one city just about EVERY band wants to play. Nothing about that makes MSG particularly "easy" to sell out, and since in the greater NYC area we also have whatever the Meadowlands is called now in NJ and Barclay's Center in Brooklyn, there are also 3 immediate area arenas for bands to play.

MSG is only easy to sell out if you're a band in high demand, and if you are, you're likely selling out most other arenas on your tour as well. So still curious what makes MSG "the easiest in the world to sell out" as compared to any others.

MSG PJ is by far the toughest ticket I have ever experienced here in NY, and the band has never come close to matching demand here with shows. The last multi night NYC stop at MSG was 2016, and odds to get TC tix were in the single digits.

To this day I can’t recall ever seeing a “blue dot” on the TM for sale page for a PJ show, nor heard a TM phone operator say “sure we have plenty of PJ tix to choose from, would you like a pair in 107.” Neither has ever happened. 

So before saying it’s not possible, why don’t we wait for the day you can buy an MSG ticket at face without beating the five percent odds on TC? That day will probably never come

Would love to see them try, but better yet, how about a full US tour can be done in about 25 shows, when they are ready, and it’s been 11 years since the NE saw a full run of shows outside of a small handful in 2016. 

Have to agree. Is there a more difficult MSG ticket to acquire anywhere near face than PJ?