#46 President Joe Biden
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The Juggler said:mace1229 said:Merkin Baller said:If you’re in a crowd that built a gallows and starts chanting “hang mike pence” and then storms the Capitol looking for Mike Pence…. Yeah, you didn’t “get caught up” in something. You failed to remove yourself from the scene.These were adults, no? Let’s stop making excuses for them.
I just don’t believe the majority actually believed they would or could prevent Biden from being president from storming the Capitol that day. But we’re arguing other people’s intent who none of us ever met and could never know. It’s just hypothetical, and just my opinion.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:The Juggler said:mace1229 said:Merkin Baller said:If you’re in a crowd that built a gallows and starts chanting “hang mike pence” and then storms the Capitol looking for Mike Pence…. Yeah, you didn’t “get caught up” in something. You failed to remove yourself from the scene.These were adults, no? Let’s stop making excuses for them.
I just don’t believe the majority actually believed they would or could prevent Biden from being president from storming the Capitol that day. But we’re arguing other people’s intent who none of us ever met and could never know. It’s just hypothetical, and just my opinion.
The people who went to the capitol (which is the crowd I have only been talking about) knew damn well what they were trying to do.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:The Juggler said:HughFreakingDillon said:The Juggler said:HughFreakingDillon said:The Juggler said:Yeah, sorry guys. You don't just get "caught up in a riot" at the US Capitol building, behind police barricades, at the exact date and time of the certifying of the election. They all knew why they were marching there and they all knew what they were trying to do. Their leader told them to fight like hell for him. They were following orders. They're all on videotape admitting to it. They're not "average joes." They're all a bunch of lunatics.
2,000 or entered the capitol. out of an estimated rally attendance of 80,000.
all of whom were doing what again?
I have no qualms with the disillusioned wackjobs that chose to spend their time at a Trump rally and did NOT attempt to block the certification of the election.
some had legit intentions to "take back the country" by any means necessary.
“To be part of ‘something’ their cult leader was attending”.
My goodness that’s a generous assessment… far too generous IMO, but you’re entitled to yours as much as I am mine.
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well, based on most of them leaving when the violence erupted, I'd say it's an accurate assessment.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Cmon Hugh, They knew what trump was up to on Jan six. They’re not conspiracy loving believers 24/7 , travel to dc, and then become ignorant of trumps central belief - that his prophecy of a rigged election came true. The only reason they were there was to impede congress.0
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I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.I replied to one of your above comments but moved it to the Capitol Riots thread in the interest of thread integrity.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.0 -
Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.I replied to one of your above comments but moved it to the Capitol Riots thread in the interest of thread integrity.Civil rights, BLM etc. it’s certainly scary if you are a racist. Florida already tried to pass laws making the entire crowd responsible for the actions of a few because of BLM. That’s a terrible standard intended to discourage lawful gatherings since you don’t know what others may do.
you have to separate the lawful gathering Vs the illegal breach of the capital. Once it’s illegal anyone who did something illegal should get the book thrown at them and probably should all get charged with major crimes.
in this case it’s exceedingly simple who went inside and who didn’t. There is a clear dividing line between legal and illegal.Otherwise you are against free speech you disagree with. It’s easy to defend speech you agree with, it’s harder to defend speech you find offensive. The standard shouldn’t be that the speech you agree with is permittedPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
Giving this cult the benefit of the doubt after all we've seen in the last 7 years completely defies logic.0 -
Merkin Baller said:
Giving this cult the benefit of the doubt after all we've seen in the last 7 years completely defies logic.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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it’s not about being violent, it’s about the THREAT of violence, along with using other tools to achieve their goal of controlling the country, such as limiting voting access and controlling the counting and certification process. And it’s more than a few crazies, when senior members of the senate use the THREAT of violence to attempt to intimidate.When the GOP LEADER SUPPORTS violence towards achieving that same goal, it’s borderline absurd to chuck this off as just a few crazies supporting violence.0
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The Juggler said:HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.0 -
mace1229 said:The Juggler said:HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.www.myspace.com0 -
Merkin Baller said:
Giving this cult the benefit of the doubt after all we've seen in the last 7 years completely defies logic.www.myspace.com0 -
mace1229 said:The Juggler said:HughFreakingDillon said:I think a lot of them were there to support their leader. But weren't willing to go that extra mile that Raccoon Head et al was. and what happened actually bears it out; THE MAJORITY DID NOT GET VIOLENT.
are they nutcases? are they delusional? are they bigots and racists? were they grifted by an orange idiot they all think is the second coming? yep. doesn't mean they all went to hang mike pence.0 -
It's as if the January 6th Hearings never happened and no footage of the day exists.www.myspace.com0
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take this fucking conversation to the riot thread for fucks sake.
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United Nations General Assembly Russia-Ukraine war Vladimir Putin Joe Biden Taiwan Iran nuclear United Nations Nuclear weapons Charters Government and politicsBiden: Russia 'shamelessly violated' UN Charter in UkraineBy AAMER MADHANI3 mins ago
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — President Joe Biden declared at the United Nations Wednesday that Russia has “shamelessly violated the core tenets" of the U.N with its "brutal, needless war” in Ukraine. He said the war is an affront to the heart of what the international body stands for as he looked to rally allies to stand firm in backing the Ukrainian resistance.
Delivering a forceful condemnation of Russia's seven-month invasion, Biden said reports of Russian abuses against civilians in Ukraine “should make your blood run cold." And he said President Vladimir Putin’s new nuclear threats against Europe showed “reckless disregard” for Russia's responsibilities as a signer of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
He criticized Russia for scheduling “sham referenda” this week in territory it has forcibly seized in Ukraine.
“A permanent member of the U..N Security Council invaded its neighbor, attempted to erase a sovereign state from the map. Russia has shamelessly violated the core tenets of the U.N. charter," he told his U.N. audience.
Biden called on all nations, whether democracies or autocracies, to speak out against Russia's invasion and to bolster's Ukraine effort to defend itself.
“We will stand in solidarity against Russia’s aggression, period," Biden said.
Biden also highlighted consequences of the invasion for the world's food supply, pledging $2.9 billion in global food security aid to address shortages caused by the war and the effects of climate change. He praised a U.N.-brokered effort to create a corridor for Ukrainian grain to be exported by sea, and called on the agreement to be continued despite the ongoing conflict.
Biden, during his time at the U.N. General Assembly, also planned to meet Wednesday with new British Prime Minister Liz Truss and press allies to meet an $18 billion target to replenish the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria.
But the heart of the president's visit to the U.N. this year was his full-throated censure of Russia as its war nears the seven-month mark.
The address came as Russian-controlled regions of eastern and southern Ukraine have announced plans to hold Kremllin-backed referendums in days ahead on becoming part of Russia and as Moscow is losing ground in the invasion. Russian President Putin on Wednesday announced a partial mobilization to call up 300,000 reservists and accused the West of engaging in “nuclear blackmail.”
The White House said the global food security funding includes $2 billion in direct humanitarian assistance through the United States Agency for International Development. The balance of the money will go to global development projects meant to boost the efficiency and resilience of the global food supply.
“This new announcement of $2.9 billion will save lives through emergency interventions and invest in medium- to long-term food security assistance in order to protect the world’s most vulnerable populations from the escalating global food security crisis,” the White House said.
Biden was confronting no shortage of difficult issues as leaders gather this year.
In addition to the Russian war in Ukraine, European fears that a recession could be just around the corner are heightened. Administration concerns grow by the day that time is running short to revive the Iran nuclear deal and over China's saber-rattling on Taiwan.
When he addressed last year’s General Assembly, Biden focused on broad themes of global partnership, urging world leaders to act with haste against the coronavirus, climate change and human rights abuses. And he offered assurances that his presidency marked a return of American leadership to international institutions following Donald Trump’s “America First” foreign policy.
But one year later, global dynamics have dramatically changed.
Stewart Patrick, senior fellow and director of the Global Order and Institutions Program at the Washington think tank Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, wrote in an analysis that Biden’s task this year is “immense” compared to his first address to the U.N. as president.
“Last year, the U.S. leader won easy plaudits as the ‘anti-Trump,’ pledging that ‘America was back,’” Patrick said. “This year demands more. The liberal, rules-based international system is reeling, battered by Russian aggression, Chinese ambitions, authoritarian assaults, a halting pandemic recovery, quickening climate change, skepticism of the U.N.’s relevance, and gnawing doubts about American staying power.”
Beyond diplomacy, the president is also doing some politicking. This year's gathering comes less than seven weeks before pivotal midterm elections in the United States. Shortly after arriving in Manhattan on Tuesday night, Biden spoke at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser for about 100 participants that raised nearly $2 million, and he's set to hold another fundraiser on Thursday before heading back to Washington.
His Wednesday address comes on the heels of Ukrainian forces retaking control of large stretches of territory near Kharkiv. But even as Ukrainian forces have racked up battlefield wins, much of Europe is feeling painful blowback from economic sanctions levied against Russia. A vast reduction in Russian oil and gas has led to a sharp jump in energy prices, skyrocketing inflation and growing risk of Europe slipping into a recession.
Biden's visit to the U.N. also comes as his administration's efforts to revive the 2015 Iran nuclear deal appears stalled.
The deal brokered by the Obama administration — and scrapped by Trump in 2018 — provided billions of dollars in sanctions relief in exchange for Iran’s agreement to dismantle much of its nuclear program and open its facilities to extensive international inspection.
Sullivan said no breakthrough with Iran is expected during the General Assembly but Biden would make clear in his speech that a deal can still be done "if Iran is prepared to be serious about its obligations." He added that administration officials would be consulting with fellow signatories of the 2015 deal on the sidelines of this week's meetings.
This year's U.N. gathering is back to being a full-scale, in-person event after two years of curtailed activity due to the pandemic. In 2020, the in-person gathering was canceled and leaders instead delivered prerecorded speeches; last year was a mix of in-person and prerecorded speeches. Biden and first lady Jill Biden were set to host a leaders' reception on Wednesday evening.
China's President Xi Jinping opted not to attend this year's U.N. gathering, but his country's conduct and intentions will loom large during the leaders' talks.
Last month, the U.N. human rights office raised concerns about possible “crimes against humanity” in China's western region against Uyghurs and other largely Muslim ethnic groups. Beijing has vowed to suspend cooperation with the office and blasted what it described as a Western plot to undermine China’s rise.
Meanwhile, China’s government on Monday said Biden’s statement in a CBS “60 Minutes” interview that American forces would defend Taiwan if Beijing tried to invade the self-ruled island was a violation of U.S. commitments on the matter, but it gave no indication of possible retaliation.
The White House said after the interview that there has been no change in U.S. policy on Taiwan, which China claims as its own. That policy says Washington wants to see Taiwan’s status resolved peacefully but doesn’t say whether U.S. forces might be sent in response to a Chinese attack.
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