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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,134
    darthvedder said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o

    The King of Rock came out before Licensed to Ill.
    Yes, but the mash up of walk this way came out after.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JH6056 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    Am I the only one here who sees rock and rap/hip hop as being two distinct genres in music?
    They are distinct genres, but no question that rap has had serious impact on rock. From rock pop to heavy rock, rap has had an unmistakable influence on many bands. So in a conversation about which 5 artists had biggest impact on the rock genre, it is totally fair to discuss rap artists because of how much that music has affected so many genres, even dang country!

    And just to make @Get_Right happy, I'll hold the Beastie Boys up as a good example of the mix =) . Check out this song, it's impossible to say it's not a perfect fusion of rock and rap, even if you don't like the song itself...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJ5e70Q8mw

    [Note the "proves my point perfectly" first subtitles "TENSE ANGRY MUSIC"  =) ]
    This is a rap group playing rock music and has no rap undertones...

    The style reminds me of 90's hardcore perfectly too. A lot of NY bands at this time sounded like this.

    I believe Blondie gave rapping a try in a song way back when too?
    I disagree that it's "rock music" only and has "no rap undertones", and would happily get into a discussion about this specific song, but further discussion of rap isn't welcome in this convo by the original poster so...  maybe we'll meet up at an east coast gig one day and have this debate in person  ;)
    Merkin Baller said:
    I would argue the Beastie Boys were pretty influential in changing both rock AND rap in the late '80s early '90s. 
    Run DMC and Aerosmith started it really and you can thank the producer Rick Rubin for that. The melding of rock/rap.  If the Beasties weren't on Def Jam and had Rick as a producer I am not sure how much rock would have been in there?  You think Public Enemy was going to sample Angel of Death without Ricks needling and that they were all on the same label?

    Rock/rap was akin to numetal, Korn, RATM.  They had the sounds and delivery.  Beastie Boys rock/hardcore songs are the furthest from rapping...  Sabotage is a great song and it isn't rap.


    Sorry Brian.  I am just passionate about music, lol!

    Hey, bud, no worries!  Never need to apologize for being a music FANATIC! 
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o

    Rick Rubin is amazing!  Talk about someone who has done it all!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,673
    Get_Right said:
    darthvedder said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o

    The King of Rock came out before Licensed to Ill.
    Yes, but the mash up of walk this way came out after.

    Run-D.M.C. dabbled into rock way before Raising Hell.
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    edited August 2022
    I need six:

    Elvis
    Bob Dylan
    Beatles
    Jimi Hendrix
    Led Zeppelin
    Grateful Dead

    I think all rock music post 1978 has elements of at least one of these artists/bands.



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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,498
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o
    darthvedder said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o

    The King of Rock came out before Licensed to Ill.
    They both came out the same year.  Walk this way hit the map before Licensed.

    Rick Rubin is the key ingredient here.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,498
    I do enjoy pulling info out from each other.  Most of this is in my damn head and I don't google it so sometimes my memory is blurry but at least I'm in the right area, lol!
  • Eraserhead
    Eraserhead Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,981
    The Originals, the New Originals, the Thamesmen and Spinal Tap
    Manchester 04.06.00, Leeds 25.08.06, Wembley 18.06.07, Dusseldorf 21.06.07, Shepherds Bush 11.08.09, Manchester 17.08.09, Adelaide 17.11.09, Melbourne 20.11.09, Sydney 22.11.09, Brisbane 25.11.09, MSG1 20.05.10, MSG2 21.05.10, Dublin 22.06.10, Belfast 23.06.10, London 25.06.10, Long Beach 06.07.11 (EV), Los Angeles 08.07.11 (EV), Toronto 11.09.11, Toronto 12.09.11, Ottawa 14.09.11, Hamilton 14.09.11, Manchester 20.06.12, Manchester 21.06.12, Amsterdam 26.06.2012, Amsterdam 27.06.2012, Berlin 04.07.12, Berlin 05.07.12, Stockholm 07.07.12, Oslo 09.07.12, Copenhagen 10.07.12, Manchester 28.07.12 (EV), Brooklyn 18.10.13, Brooklyn 19.10.13, Philly 21.10.13, Philly 22.10.13, San Diego 21.11.13, LA 23.11.13, LA 24.11.13, Oakland 26.11.13, Portland 29.11.13, Spokane 30.11.13, Calgary 02.12.13, Vancouver 04.12.13, Seattle 06.12.13, Trieste 22.06.14, Vienna 25.06.14, Berlin 26.06.14, Stockholm 28.06.14, Leeds 08.07.14, Philly 28.04.16, Philly 28.04.16, MSG1 01.05.16, MSG2 02.05.16
  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,673
    edited August 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o
    darthvedder said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o

    The King of Rock came out before Licensed to Ill.
    They both came out the same year.  Walk this way hit the map before Licensed.

    Rick Rubin is the key ingredient here.
    Walk This Way is not on King of Rock, it's on Raising Hell, which came out the same year as Licensed. I forgot about Rock Box, which came out on Run-D.M.C.'s debut in 1984.

    D.M.C. himself admitted that it wasn't all Rick Rubin (from the King of Rock wikipedia):

    The music on the album was created by Larry Smith's group Orange Krush using the drum machine Oberheim DMX and Jam Master Jay's scratches mixed in a guitar riff. D.M.C. once commented on this fact: "People forget about Larry Smith, but Larry Smith owned hip-hop and rap. He produced our first two albums, and he produced Whodini. The rock-rap sound was Larry Smith's vision, not Rick Rubin's. Rick changed the story, but Larry was there first. Actually, me and Run were against the guitar."


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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,498
    darthvedder said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o
    darthvedder said:
    Get_Right said:
    Licensed to Ill was rock and rap and yes, Rick Rubin.  Before Aerosmith and Run DMC.  Now I sound like JH6056 LOL  :o

    The King of Rock came out before Licensed to Ill.
    They both came out the same year.  Walk this way hit the map before Licensed.

    Rick Rubin is the key ingredient here.
    Walk This Way is not on King of Rock, it's on Raising Hell, which came out the same year as Licensed. I forgot about Rock Box, which came out on Run-D.M.C.'s debut in 1984.

    D.M.C. himself admitted that it wasn't all Rick Rubin (from the King of Rock wikipedia):

    The music on the album was created by Larry Smith's group Orange Krush using the drum machine Oberheim DMX and Jam Master Jay's scratches mixed in a guitar riff. D.M.C. once commented on this fact: "People forget about Larry Smith, but Larry Smith owned hip-hop and rap. He produced our first two albums, and he produced Whodini. The rock-rap sound was Larry Smith's vision, not Rick Rubin's. Rick changed the story, but Larry was there first. Actually, me and Run were against the guitar."


    So Rick Rubin is the driving force and Larry Smith was the first to do it.

    Rubin pushed it much further then Smith did.  

    This is a very fun convo.  Keep these nuggets of info coming people!
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    Eraserhead said:
    The Originals, the New Originals, the Thamesmen and Spinal Tap

    Intravenus de Milo was a groundbreaking LP.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    eddiec said:
    I need six:

    Elvis
    Bob Dylan
    Beatles
    Jimi Hendrix
    Led Zeppelin
    Grateful Dead

    I think all rock music post 1978 has elements of at least one of these artists/bands.




    Looks good to me, E!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,124
    eddiec said:
    Eraserhead said:
    The Originals, the New Originals, the Thamesmen and Spinal Tap

    Intravenus de Milo was a groundbreaking LP.
    Don't forget Shark Sandwich.

  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    GlowGirl said:
    eddiec said:
    Eraserhead said:
    The Originals, the New Originals, the Thamesmen and Spinal Tap

    Intravenus de Milo was a groundbreaking LP.
    Don't forget Shark Sandwich.

    I prefer "Smell the Glove". Now THAT... was groundbreaking.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    "Lick My Love Pump"
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,124
    edited August 2022
    dankind said:
    "Lick My Love Pump"
    Played in D minor - the saddest of all keys. 
    Post edited by GlowGirl on
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,333
    Eraserhead said:
    The Originals, the New Originals, the Thamesmen and Spinal Tap
    No Spinal Tap Mark II? Not really digging the free form jazz odessey?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,498
    This thread was fun and sorry to see it go but I guess we have our 5.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This thread was fun and sorry to see it go but I guess we have our 5.

    Veering into the nether worlds is the way of all thread here, haha.
    Yeah it's been fun, thanks all!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,498
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This thread was fun and sorry to see it go but I guess we have our 5.

    Veering into the nether worlds is the way of all thread here, haha.
    Yeah it's been fun, thanks all!
    We could always stir shit up Brian and get it going again.

    I love the discussions and passion that we have in here.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This thread was fun and sorry to see it go but I guess we have our 5.

    Veering into the nether worlds is the way of all thread here, haha.
    Yeah it's been fun, thanks all!
    We could always stir shit up Brian and get it going again.

    I love the discussions and passion that we have in here.

    Well said!  Yes very much enjoy doing this.  Let's keep stirring!
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