Viruses / Vaccines 2

mickeyrat · July 2022

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

It’s good to know it’s not just MAGA that is trying to tear down our institutions and governance.

Like everything, there are people involved. So I’m sure some unethical behavior from time to time.

And I hope y’all are aware that FDA plays in a much bigger space then just prescription meds. They do a lot of good … and even, dare I say it… can be too strict at times with manufacturers.

For example, they went too far with the baby formula issue with that manufacturer in the midwest.

it begins with what the company allowed to happen to that point. fda intervention also didnt happen early enough and was ripe for that situation because of the way those contracts were written for WIC eligible product. that was all about company profit. so no, they didnt go to far baby formula is more regulated than other foodstuffs.

static111 · July 2022

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

It’s good to know it’s not just MAGA that is trying to tear down our institutions and governance.

Like everything, there are people involved. So I’m sure some unethical behavior from time to time.

And I hope y’all are aware that FDA plays in a much bigger space then just prescription meds. They do a lot of good … and even, dare I say it… can be too strict at times with manufacturers.

For example, they went too far with the baby formula issue with that manufacturer in the midwest.

I feel like this is less to do with the FDA overreaching than it is to do with lack of competition and closed markets in the baby formula market in the US. There are a handful of companies and my understanding is that each state negotiates a deal for it's WIC program and the winner of that contract basically becomes the dominant force in that state/region because the other companies don't want to invest in the extra infrastructure to make a few sales if they don't get that huge state contract.

There are of course other interrelated issues like households having to have dual incomes which leaves the mother with less time to do motherly things like breastfeeding, or in the case of single mothers, not having much time to do anything but work.

The FDA shutting down a company that is making a potentially toxic product, until it has been proven that there is no more contamination, that will be fed to children is largely a good thing. The larger issue is why is there such a small number of producers of a product that has become essential in the current incarnation of global winner take all capitalism and why if any one of them is to shut down are we immediately thrown into crisis?

dankind · July 2022

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

It’s good to know it’s not just MAGA that is trying to tear down our institutions and governance.

Like everything, there are people involved. So I’m sure some unethical behavior from time to time.

And I hope y’all are aware that FDA plays in a much bigger space then just prescription meds. They do a lot of good … and even, dare I say it… can be too strict at times with manufacturers.

For example, they went too far with the baby formula issue with that manufacturer in the midwest.

I feel like this is less to do with the FDA overreaching than it is to do with lack of competition and closed markets in the baby formula market in the US. There are a handful of companies and my understanding is that each state negotiates a deal for it's WIC program and the winner of that contract basically becomes the dominant force in that state/region because the other companies don't want to invest in the extra infrastructure to make a few sales if they don't get that huge state contract.

There are of course other interrelated issues like households having to have dual incomes which leaves the mother with less time to do motherly things like breastfeeding, or in the case of single mothers, not having much time to do anything but work.

The FDA shutting down a company that is making a potentially toxic product, until it has been proven that there is no more contamination, that will be fed to children is largely a good thing. The larger issue is why is there such a small number of producers of a product that has become essential in the current incarnation of global winner take all capitalism and why if any one of them is to shut down are we immediately thrown into crisis?

Ooh! I know this one!

static111 · July 2022

dankind said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

It’s good to know it’s not just MAGA that is trying to tear down our institutions and governance.

Like everything, there are people involved. So I’m sure some unethical behavior from time to time.

And I hope y’all are aware that FDA plays in a much bigger space then just prescription meds. They do a lot of good … and even, dare I say it… can be too strict at times with manufacturers.

For example, they went too far with the baby formula issue with that manufacturer in the midwest.

I feel like this is less to do with the FDA overreaching than it is to do with lack of competition and closed markets in the baby formula market in the US. There are a handful of companies and my understanding is that each state negotiates a deal for it's WIC program and the winner of that contract basically becomes the dominant force in that state/region because the other companies don't want to invest in the extra infrastructure to make a few sales if they don't get that huge state contract.

There are of course other interrelated issues like households having to have dual incomes which leaves the mother with less time to do motherly things like breastfeeding, or in the case of single mothers, not having much time to do anything but work.

The FDA shutting down a company that is making a potentially toxic product, until it has been proven that there is no more contamination, that will be fed to children is largely a good thing. The larger issue is why is there such a small number of producers of a product that has become essential in the current incarnation of global winner take all capitalism and why if any one of them is to shut down are we immediately thrown into crisis?

Ooh! I know this one!

tempo_n_groove · July 2022

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

Poncier · July 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I'm thinking of waiting till they come out with the Omicron specific boosters in the fall to get shot #4.

mickeyrat · July 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

have #2 booster on board....

it times right for me that when I might be due for the updated version it should be available.

lastexitlondon · July 2022

The booster wont do much against these new strains. Unless they change the vaccine i see no point. 350.000 a day are catching newest covid here and no rise in deaths. Its a booster for an old genetic code that doesnt exist anymore.

stuckinline · July 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I got the 3rd shot, and will probably get the 4th shot before the fall shows.

Gern Blansten · July 2022

stuckinline said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I got the 3rd shot, and will probably get the 4th shot before the fall shows.

same...I mean why not?

tempo_n_groove · July 2022

stuckinline said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I got the 3rd shot, and will probably get the 4th shot before the fall shows.

Gern Blansten said:

stuckinline said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I got the 3rd shot, and will probably get the 4th shot before the fall shows.

same...I mean why not?

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

have #2 booster on board....

it times right for me that when I might be due for the updated version it should be available.

The booster effective against the new strains?

I guess I can google that...

Merkin Baller · July 2022

If my wife weren’t under 50, we would have already got them.

mickeyrat · July 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

stuckinline said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I got the 3rd shot, and will probably get the 4th shot before the fall shows.

Gern Blansten said:

stuckinline said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I got the 3rd shot, and will probably get the 4th shot before the fall shows.

same...I mean why not?

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

have #2 booster on board....

it times right for me that when I might be due for the updated version it should be available.

The booster effective against the new strains?

I guess I can google that...

https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/booster-shots-covid-19-vaccines-effective-against-omicron-subvariant

lastexitlondon · July 2022

All the people here are triple vax and still all getting new strain. The vaccine is for an old genetic code. Its changed too much now that people who had delta and omicron and are vaxxed are still getting it at the same rate. Its just whats happening here

lastexitlondon · July 2022

Ba.4 and ba.5 are the newst strains . That link above is for an older strain
These are ripping through where i live. Regardless of vaccine status or previous infection.

Lerxst1992 · July 2022

lastexitlondon said:

The booster wont do much against these new strains. Unless they change the vaccine i see no point. 350.000 a day are catching newest covid here and no rise in deaths. Its a booster for an old genetic code that doesnt exist anymore.

Difficult to judge by case numbers as so many are self testing. Here in US, hospitalizations are up nearly triple from the April low point and deaths are rising about 10%. Vaccine protection is declining, from a high 10x protection vs unvaccinated in the winter to 6x now. Is that due to fewer getting the booster, or a decline in efficacy? Difficult to say but looks to still be helping. I’ll probably get another booster in the mid fall for the expected winter peak, and enough time to fine tune to new variants.

dankind · July 2022

My path, similar to many I imagine, is double vaxxed, single boosted, Covid infected.

I actually caught Covid right around the time I was scheduled for a second booster, so I never got that shot.

Does anyone here know if it’s a three-month or a six-month duration recommended in between infection and vaccination/booster? I’m coming up on three months here soon, and Covid really sucked for me; I’d rather not catch it again if I can help it.

mrussel1 · July 2022

Lerxst1992 said:

lastexitlondon said:

The booster wont do much against these new strains. Unless they change the vaccine i see no point. 350.000 a day are catching newest covid here and no rise in deaths. Its a booster for an old genetic code that doesnt exist anymore.

Difficult to judge by case numbers as so many are self testing. Here in US, hospitalizations are up nearly triple from the April low point and deaths are rising about 10%. Vaccine protection is declining, from a high 10x protection vs unvaccinated in the winter to 6x now. Is that due to fewer getting the booster, or a decline in efficacy? Difficult to say but looks to still be helping. I’ll probably get another booster in the mid fall for the expected winter peak, and enough time to fine tune to new variants.

This is my plan too. I know the vaccines aren't super effective, but if they help reduce symptoms while sick, well that's good enough for me to go. But I am hoping to hold out until around Sept before getting boosted. Definitely doing it though.

mace1229 · July 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I had Covid back in November. My dr said wait 6 months to get the booster. Was just thinking about getting it and then I tested positive last week. So I should be good for another 6 months

brianlux · July 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

Is anyone getting a booster? I'm still on the fence about it.

I asked my GP about that just this last Friday. He didn't have a definitive answer. He said he is hearing the current booster is not showing up very effective with the newest variant. I have to decide what to do but am leaning toward what Lerxst1992 said above and wait for a more updated booster. Ah, sigh, life seems like a crap shoot some times.

I think I need to look seriously at gifting my tickets to see The Dream Syndicate on the 29th. Tough call there, but my immune system isn't the best so...

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