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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
    How is this relevant? I'm from NY. We had mandates here and Florida did not. How can you say "false narrative?" 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
    How is this relevant? I'm from NY. We had mandates here and Florida did not. How can you say "false narrative?" 

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    edited January 2023
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
    How is this relevant? I'm from NY. We had mandates here and Florida did not. How can you say "false narrative?" 
    It's relevant because Virginia is a blue state and operated exactly like Florida.  The difference was the messaging between Northam and Desantis. The latter was overtly political and continues to be today,  demonizing what he once supported. By contrast,  Virginia continues to be just normal people and we moved on with our lives.  

    By the way,  when you use quotes and ask how can I say something,  that typically means you are quoting me and I said "false narrative". I didn't. 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
    How is this relevant? I'm from NY. We had mandates here and Florida did not. How can you say "false narrative?" 
    It's relevant because Virginia is a blue state and operated exactly like Florida.  The difference was the messaging between Northam and Desantis. The latter was overtly political and continues to be today,  demonizing what he once supported. By contrast,  Virginia continues to be just normal people and we moved on with our lives.  

    By the way,  when you use quotes and ask how can I say something,  that typically means you are quoting me and I said "false narrative". I didn't. 
    Obviously, I was referring to Beavers. Just because VA and NY are blue that doesn't mean VA had the same covid approach as NY, therfore, to claim (by Beavers) - "the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates" is completely false and ignorant if you compare FL to NY or CA.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
    How is this relevant? I'm from NY. We had mandates here and Florida did not. How can you say "false narrative?" 
    It's relevant because Virginia is a blue state and operated exactly like Florida.  The difference was the messaging between Northam and Desantis. The latter was overtly political and continues to be today,  demonizing what he once supported. By contrast,  Virginia continues to be just normal people and we moved on with our lives.  

    By the way,  when you use quotes and ask how can I say something,  that typically means you are quoting me and I said "false narrative". I didn't. 
    Obviously, I was referring to Beavers. Just because VA and NY are blue that doesn't mean VA had the same covid approach as NY, therfore, to claim (by Beavers) - "the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates" is completely false and ignorant if you compare FL to NY or CA.
    Obviously you were talking about Beaver while typing "you".  Got it.  

    No,  Virginia didn't have the same approach as NY. But this narrative that Florida was some bastion of freedom is false considering VA did take a similar approach without politicizing the pandemic.  In that sense Beaver is absolutely correct. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hahaha , "....florida was a refuge of sanity...."
    Said no one ever. 
    Really? I remember people running to Florida to get away from the lockdown mindset during the pandemic. Not just regular people but celebrities, politicians etc… 
    Yes really. It’s a combo of making a Florida joke as well as the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates. 
    False narratives? Hahaha. No wonder people lose their shit here. I took my family twice to Florida during lockdowns because NY had closed schools, closed businesses and  mandated masks/vaccine. Florida - none of the above at the time. 
    You could have done the same in Virginia,  stopping halfway down. None of those things exist here.  And like DeSantis, our Governor encouraged vaccines, not mandated. But now Desantis is demonizing the very thing he encouraged in 2021.
    How is this relevant? I'm from NY. We had mandates here and Florida did not. How can you say "false narrative?" 
    It's relevant because Virginia is a blue state and operated exactly like Florida.  The difference was the messaging between Northam and Desantis. The latter was overtly political and continues to be today,  demonizing what he once supported. By contrast,  Virginia continues to be just normal people and we moved on with our lives.  

    By the way,  when you use quotes and ask how can I say something,  that typically means you are quoting me and I said "false narrative". I didn't. 
    Obviously, I was referring to Beavers. Just because VA and NY are blue that doesn't mean VA had the same covid approach as NY, therfore, to claim (by Beavers) - "the false narrative created that Florida somehow didn’t have mandates" is completely false and ignorant if you compare FL to NY or CA.
    I said you could’ve done the same thing you did in Florida in many other states, even blue ones. Florida had mandates at the local level so to act like it was some beacon of freedom while the rest of us were locked in our houses is the false narrative. 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    edited January 2023
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    Post edited by AW124797 on
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    It’s been about a year since most of the state dropped mask mandates. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,597
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    It continues because the victimhood complex requires nourishment. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,317
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    It continues because the victimhood complex requires nourishment. 

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,353
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,325
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    it goes on because some people can't admit they've been fooled..i get it, it's hard to fathom..
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,353
    fooled about what?
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,674
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    I just can't believe that you think people moved to FL because of masks. People move to FL for many reasons...some people don't like it and move back. I've seen that a lot with retirees. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,367
    Because some people are so oppressed, “a beacon of freedom.” Flo Rida? Please.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,597
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    fooled about what?
    Don't hold your breath for an answer.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    it goes on because some people can't admit they've been fooled..i get it, it's hard to fathom..
    So no one died? Did we get that wrong?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,367
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
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  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
    6th booster is too many.
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    Who wouldn't politicize it? This makes him look like a champion:

  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
    Evidently, most from this thread will never get to post pandemic.
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    edited January 2023
    Gern Blansten said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    I just can't believe that you think people moved to FL because of masks. People move to FL for many reasons...some people don't like it and move back. I've seen that a lot with retirees. 
    Some from Long Island moved after covid vaccine mandates were imposed in universities and 15 month long mask mandates in schools. Of course, taxes, weather, etc are top of that list. 
    Post edited by AW124797 on
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    AW124797 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
    Evidently, most from this thread will never get to post pandemic.
    I think "most in this thread" will get to post pandemic when we actually get to post pandemic. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    Who wouldn't politicize it? This makes him look like a champion:

    Only to the easily influenced. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,367
    AW124797 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
    6th booster is too many.
    I guess 21 flu shots is waaaay too many then?
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    The  flu shot  is not an mrna. 
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