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That's just it. What can be done without directly engaging in open warfare with Russia? I think everything is being done without crossing that dangerous line. Im sure there are covert-ops as well within Russia.mrussel1 said:
I wouldn't say the world is just watching, unless you believe the only action that counts is actually boots on the ground by NATO and the western powers.bootlegger10 said:It is crazy the world is just standing by and watching this all happen. Because Russia has nukes…. Sad.
I will say that China needs to show that they are ready to join the developed world. They can kill this invasion where it stands.
Hopefully this all can end without the taking a large chunk out of civilization. At the end of all this, the powers of the world really need to get together, look in the mirror, and realize that having stockpiles of nuclear weapons only sets the clock for some asshole to come along and hold the world ransom.0 -
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Pink Floyd (without Waters of course) backing a Ukrainian singer on a tune where the proceeds go to Ukraine. It's pretty good. Always nice to hear Gilmour playing his guitar...
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Ledbetterman10 said:Pink Floyd (without Waters of course) backing a Ukrainian singer on a tune where the proceeds go to Ukraine. It's pretty good. Always nice to hear Gilmour playing his guitar...https://youtu.be/saEpkcVi1d4Dave claiming him and Nick can release “new” Pink Floyd music is a gut punch to those who recall fondly their core four albums. The Difficult to work with visionary continues to serve his life sentence. Cmon Dave.0
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Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Pink Floyd (without Waters of course) backing a Ukrainian singer on a tune where the proceeds go to Ukraine. It's pretty good. Always nice to hear Gilmour playing his guitar...https://youtu.be/saEpkcVi1d4Dave claiming him and Nick can release “new” Pink Floyd music is a gut punch to those who recall fondly their core four albums. The Difficult to work with visionary continues to serve his life sentence. Cmon Dave.
Is Roger even interested? He did sign away all rights to the band when HE quit or believed he disbanded the group.Seems to be doing well enough touring off it and have The Wall set to tour that as well. Have tix for Aug....
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Are you saying this tour is the Wall again?mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Pink Floyd (without Waters of course) backing a Ukrainian singer on a tune where the proceeds go to Ukraine. It's pretty good. Always nice to hear Gilmour playing his guitar...https://youtu.be/saEpkcVi1d4Dave claiming him and Nick can release “new” Pink Floyd music is a gut punch to those who recall fondly their core four albums. The Difficult to work with visionary continues to serve his life sentence. Cmon Dave.
Is Roger even interested? He did sign away all rights to the band when HE quit or believed he disbanded the group.Seems to be doing well enough touring off it and have The Wall set to tour that as well. Have tix for Aug....0 -
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Are you saying this tour is the Wall again?mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Pink Floyd (without Waters of course) backing a Ukrainian singer on a tune where the proceeds go to Ukraine. It's pretty good. Always nice to hear Gilmour playing his guitar...https://youtu.be/saEpkcVi1d4Dave claiming him and Nick can release “new” Pink Floyd music is a gut punch to those who recall fondly their core four albums. The Difficult to work with visionary continues to serve his life sentence. Cmon Dave.
Is Roger even interested? He did sign away all rights to the band when HE quit or believed he disbanded the group.Seems to be doing well enough touring off it and have The Wall set to tour that as well. Have tix for Aug....no, but he is doing floyd primarily I think.its in the round
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Almost every other Swede, 45 percent, still wants Sweden to join NATO, according to a new poll from Novus. At the same time, the proportion who are against membership in the defense alliance has increased to 33 percent, reports SVT.
"The proportion of people who don't know has decreased in favour of the 'no' side," says Novus CEO Torbjörn Sjöström.
The undecided group has decreased from 25 percent a week ago to 22 percent today.
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https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/273276/nato/p1Spiritual_Chaos said:Almost every other Swede, 45 percent, still wants Sweden to join NATO, according to a new poll from Novus. At the same time, the proportion who are against membership in the defense alliance has increased to 33 percent, reports SVT.
"The proportion of people who don't know has decreased in favour of the 'no' side," says Novus CEO Torbjörn Sjöström.
The undecided group has decreased from 25 percent a week ago to 22 percent today.
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Interesting how we cheer vulgar political discourse elsewhere but then think that it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the homeland.I SAW PEARL JAM0
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Whenever I bring up both sides, I’m talking about the voters. To me, most of them act the same exact way. It’s comical and sad.dankind said:Interesting how we cheer vulgar political discourse elsewhere but then think that it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the homeland.0 -
Um, this isn't vulgar political discourse. This is saying Fuck off to a country that has invaded and committed war crimes. Hopefully you can clearly delineate the difference between political parties in the US and the Russo/Ukraine war.dankind said:Interesting how we cheer vulgar political discourse elsewhere but then think that it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the homeland.
This was sarcasm, right>?0 -
Almost all acts of war and terror are political, including Putin's mythic quest to reunite Rus. So, yes, telling an opposing force during an act of war to "fuck off" is vulgar political discourse.mrussel1 said:
Um, this isn't vulgar political discourse. This is saying Fuck off to a country that has invaded and committed war crimes. Hopefully you can clearly delineate the difference between political parties in the US and the Russo/Ukraine war.dankind said:Interesting how we cheer vulgar political discourse elsewhere but then think that it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the homeland.
This was sarcasm, right>?
And no need to worry yourself about my ability to delineate differences between homeland politics and international politics. I thought that I sort of pointed that out in my post. But just to set your mind at ease, I won't be outraged when Volodymyr Zelenskyy isn't on my next US ballot.
I'm guessing that we love Ukrainians telling Russians to "fuck off" about as much as those who side with Russian policy love seeing "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the US. Those same people might also think it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Vlad Putin" flags flown in their homeland.
And for the record, I'm one of the people (the "we") I refer to in my post. I'm merely pointing out that the dissociation involved is interesting (to me at least).
If you don't think so, feel free to not comment -- or you could always take some advice from our favorite Snake Island gentlemen and scholars.Post edited by dankind onI SAW PEARL JAM0 -
What does Johan Giesecke think?Spiritual_Chaos said:Almost every other Swede, 45 percent, still wants Sweden to join NATO, according to a new poll from Novus. At the same time, the proportion who are against membership in the defense alliance has increased to 33 percent, reports SVT.
"The proportion of people who don't know has decreased in favour of the 'no' side," says Novus CEO Torbjörn Sjöström.
The undecided group has decreased from 25 percent a week ago to 22 percent today.
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Thanks for giving me the option to not comment. That's a real relief. Alas I decided to comment anyway because, well that's what we do here.dankind said:
Almost all acts of war and terror are political, including Putin's mythic quest to reunite Rus. So, yes, telling an opposing force during an act of war to "fuck off" is vulgar political discourse.mrussel1 said:
Um, this isn't vulgar political discourse. This is saying Fuck off to a country that has invaded and committed war crimes. Hopefully you can clearly delineate the difference between political parties in the US and the Russo/Ukraine war.dankind said:Interesting how we cheer vulgar political discourse elsewhere but then think that it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the homeland.
This was sarcasm, right>?
And no need to worry yourself about my ability to delineate differences between homeland politics and international politics. I thought that I sort of pointed that out in my post. But just to set your mind at ease, I won't be outraged when Volodymyr Zelenskyy isn't on my next US ballot.
I'm guessing that we love Ukrainians telling Russians to "fuck off" about as much as those who side with Russian policy love seeing "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the US. Those same people might also think it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Vlad Putin" flags flown in their homeland.
And for the record, I'm one of the people (the "we") I refer to in my post. I'm merely pointing out that the dissociation involved is interesting (to me at least).
If you don't think so, feel free to not comment -- or you could always take some advice from our favorite Snake Island gentlemen and scholars.
It's a ridiculous comparison. You can say that war is political, but all politics are not war. The senate race in PA isn't a war where Dr. Oz is going to be bombing Philly if he doesn't win. Sorry, it's a clumsy statement. Coarsening political discourse is a cause of real concern in the United States. Ukrainian sailors telling Russians to fuck off before going to battle is a tad bit understandable. Maybe that could have been avoided had Russia respected the sovereignty of Ukraine. And if you or anyone else wants to argue that point, I'd love to go at it with any Russian sympathizers.
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Are you same-saming? Sssssssssssssssssss!dankind said:
Almost all acts of war and terror are political, including Putin's mythic quest to reunite Rus. So, yes, telling an opposing force during an act of war to "fuck off" is vulgar political discourse.mrussel1 said:
Um, this isn't vulgar political discourse. This is saying Fuck off to a country that has invaded and committed war crimes. Hopefully you can clearly delineate the difference between political parties in the US and the Russo/Ukraine war.dankind said:Interesting how we cheer vulgar political discourse elsewhere but then think that it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the homeland.
This was sarcasm, right>?
And no need to worry yourself about my ability to delineate differences between homeland politics and international politics. I thought that I sort of pointed that out in my post. But just to set your mind at ease, I won't be outraged when Volodymyr Zelenskyy isn't on my next US ballot.
I'm guessing that we love Ukrainians telling Russians to "fuck off" about as much as those who side with Russian policy love seeing "Fuck Joe Biden" flags in the US. Those same people might also think it's the downfall of society to see "Fuck Vlad Putin" flags flown in their homeland.
And for the record, I'm one of the people (the "we") I refer to in my post. I'm merely pointing out that the dissociation involved is interesting (to me at least).
If you don't think so, feel free to not comment -- or you could always take some advice from our favorite Snake Island gentlemen and scholars.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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