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Some have said Trump was just kidding when he was talking about pulling out of NATO but judging from his inability to keep friendly relations going, who knows. Besides, why would a standing president make a joke about something like that? That's crazy.
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Let’s see what the complicit treasonous repubes do and how they react. Traitors.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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someone give me a civics lesson...doesn't the President ultimately have to sign off on this bill?0
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Yup, that’s the beauty of it. It makes Team Trump Treason choose between having senate input upon withdrawing from NATO or his ego by vetoing it.vaggar99 said:someone give me a civics lesson...doesn't the President ultimately have to sign off on this bill?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
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Well, I don’t recall such disdain. Perhaps more Willy nilly NATO expansion rather than withdrawal from NATO. Without links, it’s an unfounded observation.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I could see trading half our involvement with NATO for doubling the Peace Corp.More peace, fewer bombs."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:I could see trading half our involvement with NATO for doubling the Peace Corp.More peace, fewer bombs.
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You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
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funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Well, of 93 pages and 2,786 posts on pages 616 through 709, from June 2006 to January 2007, only two had "NATO" in their thread titles. Someone else with more savvy search skills can search 2007 and 2008. Again, I don't believe there was a lot of sentiment to pull US troops out of Europe during the Bush years. Is it possible there was discussion within threads with different titles? Sure, its possible but I don't think increasing US troops in Europe during Bush's term was met with "great disdain" and any decrease during Obama's term met with "great applause."flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.Here's the two links to posts regarding NATO from 2006 and both are in the context of NATO and Afghanistan:
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/70701/is-nato-totally-pointless#latest
Going back in time can be fun as these two posts illustrate:
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/68979/russian-scientist-predicts-global-cooling#latest
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/73138/rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy#latest
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I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war badHalifax2TheMax said:
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.
Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?Meltdown99 said:
I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war badHalifax2TheMax said:
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.
Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit.Halifax2TheMax said:
You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?Meltdown99 said:
I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war badHalifax2TheMax said:
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.
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Two of which he inherited and one of which he voted against as senator. Nice try though.mcgruff10 said:
Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit.Halifax2TheMax said:
You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?Meltdown99 said:
I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war badHalifax2TheMax said:
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.
Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
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Nice try at what? What I said is fact.Halifax2TheMax said:
Two of which he inherited and one of which he voted against as senator. Nice try though.mcgruff10 said:
Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit.Halifax2TheMax said:
You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?Meltdown99 said:
I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war badHalifax2TheMax said:
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.
Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
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