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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Since NY Times is a paywall, rather than copy and paste an article from them (not an honest action and I have been guilty of that), I will simply and very briefly summarize an article I read in the Times this evening (3/29/22) and post this in the Global Warming thread as well:

    The gist of the article proposes the idea that if we discontinued our addiction to oil (and, adding my own thought, most of our excess driving), we could prevent wars like the one in the Ukraine and reverse global warming.  The U.S. and NATO funds Russia and it's military by buying their oil.  We are heating the planet by burning too much oil.

    That, in a nutshell, is it.
    This needs to be considered. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    brianlux said:
    Since NY Times is a paywall, rather than copy and paste an article from them (not an honest action and I have been guilty of that), I will simply and very briefly summarize an article I read in the Times this evening (3/29/22) and post this in the Global Warming thread as well:

    The gist of the article proposes the idea that if we discontinued our addiction to oil (and, adding my own thought, most of our excess driving), we could prevent wars like the one in the Ukraine and reverse global warming.  The U.S. and NATO funds Russia and it's military by buying their oil.  We are heating the planet by burning too much oil.

    That, in a nutshell, is it.
    This needs to be considered. 

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  • Zod
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    Yah, but in order to ditch oil, people need to go electric, and batteries require a number of materials to be created, so wouldn't it just shift power struggles from oil producing countries to the ones that have the resources needed to make batteries?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Zod said:
    Yah, but in order to ditch oil, people need to go electric, and batteries require a number of materials to be created, so wouldn't it just shift power struggles from oil producing countries to the ones that have the resources needed to make batteries?
    exactly. I'm all for going electric for the health of the planet, but there would then be conflicts over whichever finite resource people are vying over. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    Zod said:
    Yah, but in order to ditch oil, people need to go electric, and batteries require a number of materials to be created, so wouldn't it just shift power struggles from oil producing countries to the ones that have the resources needed to make batteries?
    Could work towards better heating as a step.






    Just be guided by THE MORAL AND HUMANITARIAN SUPER POWER to the left.


    Poland is working on it:






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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Zod said:
    Yah, but in order to ditch oil, people need to go electric, and batteries require a number of materials to be created, so wouldn't it just shift power struggles from oil producing countries to the ones that have the resources needed to make batteries?
    Could work towards better heating as a step.






    Just be guided by THE MORAL AND HUMANITARIAN SUPER POWER to the left.


    Poland is working on it:






    So Sweden beat Poland at something more important!

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Two of the Russian warplanes that violated Swedish airspace earlier in March were armed with nuclear weapons, according to reports to TV4 Nyheter. The Swedish Armed Forces would not comment on the information on the grounds that it is classified information.

    A total of four Russian aircraft violated Swedish airspace off Gotland on March 2, when Finland and Sweden held a joint military exercise in the Baltic Sea.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    edited March 2022
    Weird sometime seeing takes regarding your own country



    In no way is Sweden joining Nato "within a few weeks". 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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  • The Juggler
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    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I fucking hope so. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,104
    The Juggler said:
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    Buying time to move more experienced and battle hardened forces from Syria and elsewhere, as well as mercenaries. Leave the former objectives of key major cities alone and focus on holding ground where you need to to link Donbas and Crimea while dropping bombs and missiles on the cities. Drag it out until winter.

     Putin on the ritz isn’t going away until they capitulate, it’s a total waste land a la Chechnya or he dies.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    The Juggler said:
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    The fog of war...
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    The Juggler said:
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    My guess is the Russian troops aren’t just rolling into cities like Putin predicted. So he’s happy just destroying civilization by shelling. It might look like Ukraine is turning the tide, but they’re still losing in the end.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    The Juggler said:
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    Yeah man at the very best licking their wounds. There's no way he doesn't reorganize and then just do this shit all over again. It'll stop when he's stopped.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    A true hero...


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Bentleyspop said:
    A true hero...



    Good man Andres, doing great work.  Excellent!
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    A true hero...



    Good man Andres, doing great work.  Excellent!

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Bentleyspop said:
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    A true hero...



    Good man Andres, doing great work.  Excellent!


    Definitely a hero.  Very moving.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
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