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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,532
    Unfortunately, as I've said before, Ukraine is going to be a sacrificial lamb unless they boot Russian forces from their country.


  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,222
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics
    That was some video he presented. So sad man. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics
    That was some video he presented. So sad man. 
    They are handily winning the propaganda war, there's no doubt.  Good for them.  It's nice when propaganda meets the right cause. 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,222
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics
    That was some video he presented. So sad man. 
    They are handily winning the propaganda war, there's no doubt.  Good for them.  It's nice when propaganda meets the right cause. 
    Very true. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics

    The concerns about establishing a no-fly zone are very valid and scary though. It's tough man.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics

    The concerns about establishing a no-fly zone are very valid and scary though. It's tough man.

    I didn't say they weren't. And If I was him, I'd be requesting the same thing. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Unfortunately, as I've said before, Ukraine is going to be a sacrificial lamb unless they boot Russian forces from their country.




    The switchblade drones announced today sound like they could be a game changer. Russia’s problem is they don’t have the numbers to occupy the country. There only choice is to pound and pound and hope the residents leave the country. If they continue to target civilians it sound like congress will keep upping the weapons and tech being sent over to inflict as much pain to the Russian military as possible. At some point hopefully Russians will say how many of our boys need to die for this. Hello proxy war.
  • mrussel1
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Unfortunately, as I've said before, Ukraine is going to be a sacrificial lamb unless they boot Russian forces from their country.




    The switchblade drones announced today sound like they could be a game changer. Russia’s problem is they don’t have the numbers to occupy the country. There only choice is to pound and pound and hope the residents leave the country. If they continue to target civilians it sound like congress will keep upping the weapons and tech being sent over to inflict as much pain to the Russian military as possible. At some point hopefully Russians will say how many of our boys need to die for this. Hello proxy war.
    Hello Afghanistan (1980s) and Vietnam.  Total proxy which we all talked about a few weeks ago.  Here's the astounding number.. so far there have been 2 million refugees (thereabouts).  Ukraine's population is 43MM.  They aren't going anywhere.  Russia has zero chance of subjugating Ukraine.  You cannot hold a people that refuse to be held.  And when teh whole western world is sending in weapons...well you see it. 

    Another Russian general has died.  That makes four.  The US only lost 11 generals in WW2.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    Such a weird feeling with all this "were sending this", ""this will help them", "we're looking into this", "Russia you are bad" when civilians are being openly murdered and children bombed. 

    I get the reality of it. But at the same time there is a hint of a feeling of it all being a theatre, when in an alternate universe European countries + NATO could have stormed into Ukraine with armed forced and made the bet that Russia would be bluffing about using nukes in a situation like this.
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    edited March 2022
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. Man. The more this little man is backed into a corner the more likely.  Putin wont  give  up


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited March 2022
    lastexitlondon said:
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. 
    I don't know. 

    I don't think anyone knows. 

    I doubt even the top peeps in Russia knows.

    What I do know is that the "international community" accepts children being slaughtered and bombed because of the risk of them not bluffing.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Zelenksy requested a no-fly zone from the U.S. in his address to our congress today....

    Zelensky to US lawmakers: 'We need you right now' as he invokes Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - CNNPolitics

    The concerns about establishing a no-fly zone are very valid and scary though. It's tough man.

    I didn't say they weren't. And If I was him, I'd be requesting the same thing. 

    I knew you didn't say they weren't. I was just commenting on the topic, haha. :wink:
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited March 2022
    A journalist Aaron Sorkin-nails Jen Psaki right now on offensive vs defensive weapons. Surprised by the movie-ness of the exchange. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. 
    I don't know. 

    I don't think anyone knows. 

    I doubt even the top peeps in Russia knows.

    What I do know is that the "international community" accepts children being slaughtered and bombed because of the risk of them not bluffing.
    Agreed


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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. 
    I don't know. 

    I don't think anyone knows. 

    I doubt even the top peeps in Russia knows.

    What I do know is that the "international community" accepts children being slaughtered and bombed because of the risk of them not bluffing.
    well if it's a choice between a few thousand kids being murdered (awful and incomprehensible) and the earth no longer being habitable (worse), the choice is obvious. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. 
    I don't know. 

    I don't think anyone knows. 

    I doubt even the top peeps in Russia knows.

    What I do know is that the "international community" accepts children being slaughtered and bombed because of the risk of them not bluffing.
    well if it's a choice between a few thousand kids being murdered (awful and incomprehensible) and the earth no longer being habitable (worse), the choice is obvious. 
    Yes,

    But we do not know if that is the choice. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,229
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. 
    I don't know. 

    I don't think anyone knows. 

    I doubt even the top peeps in Russia knows.

    What I do know is that the "international community" accepts children being slaughtered and bombed because of the risk of them not bluffing.
    well if it's a choice between a few thousand kids being murdered (awful and incomprehensible) and the earth no longer being habitable (worse), the choice is obvious. 
    Yes,

    But we do not know if that is the choice. 
    Finding out the answer is the problem though. And there are things we do know, like Putin on the ritz threatening escalation if foreign troops come to the direct aid of Ukraine, Russian battlefield doctrine allowing the use of in theater nuclear weapons, tactical nukes, and any interference being considered a direct attack on Russia, no fly zone. Personally, I think the west should continue to pressure China to stay out and provide offensive capability to make them pay a heavier price. Maybe mass troops in NATO border countries and feign a massive direct confrontation. But it’d be at the risk of seeing a mushroom cloud or two. Then what?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    Halifax2TheMax said:

     Then what?

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    You think  russia is bluffing on nukes?. 
    I don't know. 

    I don't think anyone knows. 

    I doubt even the top peeps in Russia knows.

    What I do know is that the "international community" accepts children being slaughtered and bombed because of the risk of them not bluffing.
    well if it's a choice between a few thousand kids being murdered (awful and incomprehensible) and the earth no longer being habitable (worse), the choice is obvious. 
    Yes,

    But we do not know if that is the choice. 

    Putin threatened us with nukes three times. I think we take him at his word as ironic as that is. The EU and US apparently are supplying Ukraine with weapons and a small country can hold off a Russian invasion. I’m not sure how many believed that as possible before the war. Hopefully the pressure keeps mounting on Putin to stop. It is rough watching Ukraine civilians get bombed. This can’t end soon enough.

    This has driven congress, republicans and democrats to work together to pressure Biden to send better weapons to help Ukraine. 

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