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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,167
    mickeyrat said:

    and he will do it all for only a dozen donuts.
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    Belarus:

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672577452357427200?cxt=HHwWgIC9sZmVmLYuAAAA
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    @gimmesometruth27 right now Ukraine is “watching.” Looks like they had intelligence info about this.

    On the ground it’s business as usual, with Russian attacks on civilians again yesterday and today. As someone said on TV this morning, it’s unlikely that Russian soldiers on the ground in Ukraine know about any of this.

    Prigozhin is not a better option for Ukraine. But the Georgian legion is making noises, Belarusian people are making noises about ditching Lukashenko, and in Russia there are more than two sides in this whatever-it-is. So I imagine Ukraine is hoping that Russia will implode enough that they can seize the advantage, while also hoping that Prigozhin doesn’t get his hands on nuclear weapons.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,496
    lol


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    Merkin Baller said:
    lol


    Nice.... the tears of Tucker and Rod Dreher are so delicious right now. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,618
    I heard that Obama and Hillary created the Eric Snowden debacle so as to give him deep cover and that he’s actually directing the coup we see now.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,736
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.

    Exactly!  It really is a bad scene.

    What do you all think- does this warrant a separate thread?  Something like "Crisis in Russia"?
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,025
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    nvm
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,303
    brianlux said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.

    Exactly!  It really is a bad scene.

    What do you all think- does this warrant a separate thread?  Something like "Crisis in Russia"?
    No I’d say just keep it to this thread 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,736
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.

    Exactly!  It really is a bad scene.

    What do you all think- does this warrant a separate thread?  Something like "Crisis in Russia"?
    No I’d say just keep it to this thread 

    Stay here it will.  :smile:

    This is one of those really distracting events that makes it difficult for me to not go into worry mode.  I hope that proves to be unnecessary.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,303
    brianlux said:
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.

    Exactly!  It really is a bad scene.

    What do you all think- does this warrant a separate thread?  Something like "Crisis in Russia"?
    No I’d say just keep it to this thread 

    Stay here it will.  :smile:

    This is one of those really distracting events that makes it difficult for me to not go into worry mode.  I hope that proves to be unnecessary.
    I know it’s crazy it’s like the double edge sword! 
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    brianlux said:
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.

    Exactly!  It really is a bad scene.

    What do you all think- does this warrant a separate thread?  Something like "Crisis in Russia"?
    No I’d say just keep it to this thread 

    Stay here it will.  :smile:

    This is one of those really distracting events that makes it difficult for me to not go into worry mode.  I hope that proves to be unnecessary.

    I mean we could retitle the thread to reflect how Putin is a master strategist, etc., but I have no strong opinions one way or another.

    It is very distracting, potentially very volatile situation. I think it's impossible to predict what will happen. I'm trying to follow only the most reputable sources, and even then, what's being shared is insane: looks like Lukashenko might just stay in Turkey, since it's thought that he's easier to unseat than Putin; inside sources at Interior Ministry in Moscow saying that generals, etc. are busy trying to figure out who to back in this fight, also saying that Moscow police are likely to give up without a fight because they're just not prepared to face this sort of challenge -- beating up a protester is very different from facing trained mercenaries led by a madman.  


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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,025
    Russia is getting invaded. Should get it's own thread. But with this being such a small message board I guess it doesn't matter.

    Anyways, crazy wooorld
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I heard that Obama and Hillary created the Eric Snowden debacle so as to give him deep cover and that he’s actually directing the coup we see now.

    There *are* loons saying this is a CIA--backed plot to distract everyone from the REAL problem, namely Hunter Biden's laptop. It's amazing how "Sleepy Joe" is so senile that he barely knows where he is and yet he's able to  sow chaos and potentially bring down Russia and Belarus in just a few days.

    Back in reality, Garry Kasparov's declaration that Russia has been a failed state for years probably is accurate.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,618
    curmudgeoness said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I heard that Obama and Hillary created the Eric Snowden debacle so as to give him deep cover and that he’s actually directing the coup we see now.

    There *are* loons saying this is a CIA--backed plot to distract everyone from the REAL problem, namely Hunter Biden's laptop. It's amazing how "Sleepy Joe" is so senile that he barely knows where he is and yet he's able to  sow chaos and potentially bring down Russia and Belarus in just a few days.

    Back in reality, Garry Kasparov's declaration that Russia has been a failed state for years probably is accurate.
    If anyone thinks that US intelligence agencies and special ops actors haven’t been doing spooky shit since day one isn’t paying attention. I’m willing to wager that our intelligence agencies have been itching to do something for Putin on the ritz’s 2016 election interference and POOTWH’s embrace of not only Putin on the ritz but other authoritarian leaders like Mohammad bonesaw, etc. There’s a “revenge” factor in play. The difference is, you won’t hear Brandon bragging about it with exaggerated arm and hand waving in front of the cameras.
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    Now it’s being reported that Prigozhin says, eh, never mind, Belarus brokered a deal for us, back to work/war!

    I give up. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,167
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I heard that Obama and Hillary created the Eric Snowden debacle so as to give him deep cover and that he’s actually directing the coup we see now.

    There *are* loons saying this is a CIA--backed plot to distract everyone from the REAL problem, namely Hunter Biden's laptop. It's amazing how "Sleepy Joe" is so senile that he barely knows where he is and yet he's able to  sow chaos and potentially bring down Russia and Belarus in just a few days.

    Back in reality, Garry Kasparov's declaration that Russia has been a failed state for years probably is accurate.
    If anyone thinks that US intelligence agencies and special ops actors haven’t been doing spooky shit since day one isn’t paying attention. I’m willing to wager that our intelligence agencies have been itching to do something for Putin on the ritz’s 2016 election interference and POOTWH’s embrace of not only Putin on the ritz but other authoritarian leaders like Mohammad bonesaw, etc. There’s a “revenge” factor in play. The difference is, you won’t hear Brandon bragging about it with exaggerated arm and hand waving in front of the cameras.
    i thought we lost a lot of covert operatives with trump's co-incidental "mishandling" of the documents? maybe they were working on something like this and because it involved moving putin out of the way, putin was informed and our people were killed? seems possible.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,167
    curmudgeoness said:
    Now it’s being reported that Prigozhin says, eh, never mind, Belarus brokered a deal for us, back to work/war!

    I give up. 
    i don't know what to believe at this point


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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,804

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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,167
    i thought wagner had no fucking ammo last week. how are they going to invade moscow with no ammo?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,167
    forget it. i can't waste any more of my weekend on this.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,618
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I heard that Obama and Hillary created the Eric Snowden debacle so as to give him deep cover and that he’s actually directing the coup we see now.

    There *are* loons saying this is a CIA--backed plot to distract everyone from the REAL problem, namely Hunter Biden's laptop. It's amazing how "Sleepy Joe" is so senile that he barely knows where he is and yet he's able to  sow chaos and potentially bring down Russia and Belarus in just a few days.

    Back in reality, Garry Kasparov's declaration that Russia has been a failed state for years probably is accurate.
    If anyone thinks that US intelligence agencies and special ops actors haven’t been doing spooky shit since day one isn’t paying attention. I’m willing to wager that our intelligence agencies have been itching to do something for Putin on the ritz’s 2016 election interference and POOTWH’s embrace of not only Putin on the ritz but other authoritarian leaders like Mohammad bonesaw, etc. There’s a “revenge” factor in play. The difference is, you won’t hear Brandon bragging about it with exaggerated arm and hand waving in front of the cameras.
    i thought we lost a lot of covert operatives with trump's co-incidental "mishandling" of the documents? maybe they were working on something like this and because it involved moving putin out of the way, putin was informed and our people were killed? seems possible.
    It does make one wonder what $2B will buy you.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,736
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    brianlux said:
    The idea that a mercenary could take power in Russia is not a comforting thought.  Not liking what I'm reading so far.  Crazy damn world.
    Prigozhin is a very bad dude. There are no heroes in this fight.

    Exactly!  It really is a bad scene.

    What do you all think- does this warrant a separate thread?  Something like "Crisis in Russia"?
    No I’d say just keep it to this thread 

    Stay here it will.  :smile:

    This is one of those really distracting events that makes it difficult for me to not go into worry mode.  I hope that proves to be unnecessary.

    I mean we could retitle the thread to reflect how Putin is a master strategist, etc., but I have no strong opinions one way or another.

    It is very distracting, potentially very volatile situation. I think it's impossible to predict what will happen. I'm trying to follow only the most reputable sources, and even then, what's being shared is insane: looks like Lukashenko might just stay in Turkey, since it's thought that he's easier to unseat than Putin; inside sources at Interior Ministry in Moscow saying that generals, etc. are busy trying to figure out who to back in this fight, also saying that Moscow police are likely to give up without a fight because they're just not prepared to face this sort of challenge -- beating up a protester is very different from facing trained mercenaries led by a madman.  



    Yeah, it's nearly impossible to sort this all out right now.  One thing for sure, it won't be a short lived story and it won't have minimal consequences throughout the world. 
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    forget it. i can't waste any more of my weekend on this.

    Good call.  Getting one's nose out of the news for a while is a good idea.  Of course, you know we'll be back, lol.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    And now the rightwingosphere has their idiot sycophants believing this is a CIA coup to oust Putin in order to distract from Hunter Biden  and so that Joe can run in 2024 saying he got rid of Putin.
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