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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    I'll just settle this debate now.  There is no requirement for vaccine for a business like Fox.  

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page

    People 5 and older participating in the below public indoor activities are now required to show proof they have received two vaccine doses, except for those who have received the one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

    • Indoor dining
      • Includes restaurants, catering halls, hotel banquet rooms, bars, nightclubs, cafeterias, coffee shops, fast food restaurants, grocery stores with indoor dining and other indoor dining spaces
    • Indoor fitness
      • Includes gyms, fitness centers, fitness classes, pools, dance studios and other indoor fitness studios, such as yoga or Pilates
    • Indoor entertainment and certain meeting spaces
      • Includes movie theaters, music and concert venues, museums, aquariums and zoos, professional sports arenas, indoor stadiums, convention centers, exhibition halls, hotel meeting and event spaces, performing arts theaters, bowling alleys, arcades, pool and billiard halls, recreational game centers, adult entertainment and indoor play areas
    After reading the site, that list is for public spaces and the customers.you need to be vaxed to go to a bowling alley.
    here’s the page for businesses.
    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccine-workplace-requirement.page


    As of December 27, workers in New York City who perform in-person work or interact with the public in the course of business must show proof they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Workers will then have 45 days to show proof of their second dose (for Pfizer or Moderna vaccines).

    Businesses may not allow any unvaccinated workers to come to their workplace. A workplace is considered any location — including a vehicle — where you work in the presence of at least one other person.


    I would think any news station falls under “in person work” and therefore city mandate applies.

  • mace1229 said:
    As far as a vaccine, absolutely. Are you still standing by your statement of they’ve required the vaccine since July?
    Your version of events are not the “facts,” as you attempted to represent them. If Faux says, “provide proof of vaccination (6 months before NYC mandated it) or get tested every day and you have to wear a mask,“ did they not “require” something? 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,617
    Your version of events are not the “facts,” as you attempted to represent them. If Faux says, “provide proof of vaccination (6 months before NYC mandated it) or get tested every day and you have to wear a mask,“ did they not “require” something? 
    I’m done with the pointless arguing with you. We were taking about the vaccine. When I said “they didn’t require anything” I already clarified twice I was referring to anything vaccine related. 
    They didn’t require vaccine in July. It was optional reporting for tracing. Option. That’s the opposite of a mandate. Mandate means required. Optional means optional.
    The city began to require (mandate) a vaccine in December. If Fox didn’t abide, they would be fined at the very least. So they followed the mandate set forth by the city. They didn’t create it.
    If you continue to deny facts and various sources, that’s up to you. But I’m over this conversation. 
  • mace1229 said:
    I’m done with the pointless arguing with you. We were taking about the vaccine. When I said “they didn’t require anything” I already clarified twice I was referring to anything vaccine related. 
    They didn’t require vaccine in July. It was optional reporting for tracing. Option. That’s the opposite of a mandate. Mandate means required. Optional means optional.
    The city began to require (mandate) a vaccine in December. If Fox didn’t abide, they would be fined at the very least. So they followed the mandate set forth by the city. They didn’t create it.
    If you continue to deny facts and various sources, that’s up to you. But I’m over this conversation. 
    Defend Fox News more.  :D
  • Since I live here in NY and have to go to NYC for work from time to time I can answer.  We received notices that the city requires anyone working in the city to be vaccinated.  You would be fined if they did a sweep and found anyone not vaccinated.

    Just Google Kyrie Irving and why he doesn't play home games in Brooklyn.

    You need to be vaccinated to work in the city.  I don't know if they offered an alternate for testing or not because no one I know has tried that.

    Public workers, 1400 I believe, do not have a job anymore for their refusal to not get the vaccine.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,854
    Since I live here in NY and have to go to NYC for work from time to time I can answer.  We received notices that the city requires anyone working in the city to be vaccinated.  You would be fined if they did a sweep and found anyone not vaccinated.

    Just Google Kyrie Irving and why he doesn't play home games in Brooklyn.

    You need to be vaccinated to work in the city.  I don't know if they offered an alternate for testing or not because no one I know has tried that.

    Public workers, 1400 I believe, do not have a job anymore for their refusal to not get the vaccine.
    Yes. Everyone working in NYC has to be vaccinated. All private businesses not just city workers. They came into my store a few times already to tell me to have a record of every employees vaccine status. They didn’t physically check them yet but I’m sure they will eventually. Or not. Who the fuck knows anymore. One of my employees has a J&j shot from April 2020. No boosters. Not sure if considered him vaccinated anymore. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658
    Smellyman said:
    that was something else. you can basically draw a straight line of responsibility of mass death, starting right at conservative media and politicians. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658
    Defend Fox News more.  :D
    how is simply stating facts defending anything? I'm so sick of this line of thinking. when I simply stated one simple fact months and months ago (can't recall what it is right now) about a misconception of something Trump did or said, I was attacked and labelled a Trump supporter. it was absurd. 
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  • Its all gone  stupid. 
    From  today you can just test positive  and walk around  maskless and do anything  you want.  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658
    Its all gone  stupid. 
    From  today you can just test positive  and walk around  maskless and do anything  you want.  
    this is where it was eventually going to end up anyway. that's what it means when it becomes endemic, like the spanish flu is now just the regular flu where people sometimes go to work if they have it. that's where this will go. 
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  • this is where it was eventually going to end up anyway. that's what it means when it becomes endemic, like the spanish flu is now just the regular flu where people sometimes go to work if they have it. that's where this will go. 
    It makes the crazies look sane now though.  It's what they have been screaming all along.  Maybe they weren't crazy?

    I kind of feel duped.  If you listened to the professionals this was bad for everyone and not just people with morbidities.
  • how is simply stating facts defending anything? I'm so sick of this line of thinking. when I simply stated one simple fact months and months ago (can't recall what it is right now) about a misconception of something Trump did or said, I was attacked and labelled a Trump supporter. it was absurd. 

    Fox News is and has been complying w/ the NYC vaccine mandate while simultaneously advising their audience to push back against vaccine mandates. 

    Correct? 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658
    It makes the crazies look sane now though.  It's what they have been screaming all along.  Maybe they weren't crazy?

    I kind of feel duped.  If you listened to the professionals this was bad for everyone and not just people with morbidities.
    how do you feel duped? a lot of things changed over 2 years and a lot of information/knowledge was gained over that time period. this virus is unpredictable in a lot of people, healthy or not. sure, comorbs are the worst hit. but there were plenty of people that assumed they would be healthy enough and ended up in the hospital and some dying. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658

    Fox News is and has been complying w/ the NYC vaccine mandate while simultaneously advising their audience to push back against vaccine mandates. 

    Correct? 
    mace never made the claim that they weren't. stop changing the argument. 

    is fox news evil? of course they are. that's not what's being argued here. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569

    Fox News is and has been complying w/ the NYC vaccine mandate while simultaneously advising their audience to push back against vaccine mandates. 

    Correct? 
    And therein lies the hypocrisy this person refuses to acknowledge. 

    Can you imagine the better place we'd be in if all the Fox hosts were as genuine as Cavuto?

    https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082331901/neil-cavuto-covid-vaccine

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658
    And therein lies the hypocrisy this person refuses to acknowledge. 

    Can you imagine the better place we'd be in if all the Fox hosts were as genuine as Cavuto?

    https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082331901/neil-cavuto-covid-vaccine

    mace is arguing one small piece of misinformation, and when presented with it, you guys pivot to him defending fox as being some great news organization. it's disingenuous. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mace is arguing one small piece of misinformation, and when presented with it, you guys pivot to him defending fox as being some great news organization. it's disingenuous. 
    When has that ever stopped anyone?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,714
    mace never made the claim that they weren't. stop changing the argument. 

    is fox news evil? of course they are. that's not what's being argued here. 

    many of them got vaxxed well before any mandates came down. before delta.

    his age allowed but murdoch was one of the first on line.
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  • how do you feel duped? a lot of things changed over 2 years and a lot of information/knowledge was gained over that time period. this virus is unpredictable in a lot of people, healthy or not. sure, comorbs are the worst hit. but there were plenty of people that assumed they would be healthy enough and ended up in the hospital and some dying. 
    I always looked at the percentages.  Those have always been low.  It didn't make sense to me that the % was so low with the extreme reaction we received over a longer period.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,408
    It makes the crazies look sane now though.  It's what they have been screaming all along.  Maybe they weren't crazy?

    I kind of feel duped.  If you listened to the professionals this was bad for everyone and not just people with morbidities.
    Why do you feel duped?  What makes you think you haven't been protected from severe illness?  You don't know what could have happened. 

    And do you not have any co-morbidities?  Are you overweight?  Is your blood pressure a little high?  How about your cholesterol?  These are all co-morbidities. 
  • mace is arguing one small piece of misinformation, and when presented with it, you guys pivot to him defending fox as being some great news organization. it's disingenuous. 
    Par for the course.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2022
    Defend Fox News more.  :D
    I didn’t defend Fox News. I saw a post that had fade information. I corrected it. I’ve said several times their very bias and most of them there I can’t stand. But we should all be for not spreading misinformation.
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  • mace never made the claim that they weren't. stop changing the argument. 

    is fox news evil? of course they are. that's not what's being argued here. 

    What's being argued? Whether or not they have a mandate? 

    They're enforcing the city mandate for their employees to avoid fines - the exact opposite of what they are advising their audience to do. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
    edited February 2022
    mace is arguing one small piece of misinformation, and when presented with it, you guys pivot to him defending fox as being some great news organization. it's disingenuous. 
    Nope. I said the fox hosts were hypocrites for falling in line with their company's mandate while encouraging their viewers to not get the vaccine if they don't wan it. Mace predictably said he never saw them do that. I acknowledged the NYC mandate. Thought that was common knowledge. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,658
    Nope. I said the fox hosts were hypocrites for falling in line with their company's mandate while encouraging their viewers to not get the vaccine if they don't wan it. Mace predictably said he never saw them do that. I acknowledged the NYC mandate. Thought that was common knowledge. 
    if he said they never saw them do that, then I stand corrected, but I didn't see that. all I saw was him fact checking the mandate issue. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
    if he said they never saw them do that, then I stand corrected, but I didn't see that. all I saw was him fact checking the mandate issue. 
    It was in his response to my accurate portrayal of the fox hosts. 

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
    Hypocrites. This should be obvious, folks. 

    https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-covid-safety-medical-jim-crow/

    Tucker Carlson Says COVID Safety Protocols Are ‘Medical Jim Crow’ (Video)


    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/media/fox-vaccine-passport/index.html

    Fox employees, including those who work at Fox News, received an email, obtained by CNN Business, from the company's Human Resources department in early June that said Fox had "developed a secure, voluntary way for employees to self-attest their vaccination status."
      The system allows for employees to self-report to Fox the dates their shots were administered and which vaccines were used.

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    • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,617
      edited February 2022
      mace never made the claim that they weren't. stop changing the argument. 

      is fox news evil? of course they are. that's not what's being argued here. 
      I did say that somewhere in the middle of the debate. And it’s true, I’ve never heard anyone from fox, at least within the last 6 months, say don’t go get the vaccine. I’ve heard many, many times saying it should be a choice and it shouldnt be forced. I did say they may have said not to get it because I don’t watch a ton of fox, so maybe they have, I don’t know, but I haven’t seen it. Also not the point I was making. But Can anyone show me a clip of a fox anchor telling people not to get a vaccine?
      But that was totally aside from the point and the discussion. It was posted that Fox requires a vaccine. They don’t. End of my point. Didn’t comment about fox further. Didn’t support fox. Didn’t say they are pro vac. Just corrected a false statement. Didn’t intent to make a 2 page discussion out of it. Surprising here how many are okay with misinformation as long as it agrees with their story.
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    • The portrayal of how things went down at Faux were not the “facts.”
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