Viruses / Vaccines 2

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

The portrayal of how things went down at Faux were not the “facts.”

I’ll bite one last time. Did or did not fox create the vaccine mandate? Did or did not the City create the vaccine mandate? The answer is simple. Or should be.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The portrayal of how things went down at Faux were not the “facts.”

I’ll bite one last time. Did or did not fox create the vaccine mandate? Did or did not the City create the vaccine mandate? The answer is simple. Or should be.

Did or did Faux have a 90% vaccination rate 6 months prior to NYC mandating it and did not Faux “require” an either/or?

Your portrayal are not the “facts.”

Did someone say disingenuous?

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The portrayal of how things went down at Faux were not the “facts.”

I’ll bite one last time. Did or did not fox create the vaccine mandate? Did or did not the City create the vaccine mandate? The answer is simple. Or should be.

Did or did Faux have a 90% vaccination rate 6 months prior to NYC mandating it and did not Faux “require” an either/or?

Your portrayal are not the “facts.”

Did someone say disingenuous?

The number of people who voluntarily got the vaccine is irrelevant. Voluntary =\= mandate
Starting July you got to skip some health measure if you voluntarily showed proof of vaccine. Again, voluntarily showed proof =\= mandate.
There was no required vaccine by fox until the city mandated it. City required vaccine does = mandate.

mace1229

I don’t think mandate means what you think it means.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

I don’t think mandate means what you think it means.

You don’t consider an either/or proposition, provide proof of vaccination or make your work life more complicated/uncomfortable/less free, a mandate? Or coercion? Regardless, Faux was “requiring” something, other than “nothing” and well before NYC mandated it. You made it appear as if the only reason was because the city mandated that private employers’ staff be vaccinated and Faux didn’t want to pay fines. All the while just about every one of their talking mush brains were prattling on about freedumbs being taken away and tyranny and yet, Faux was the oppressor.

Two questions, do we know what happened to staff who refused to be vaccinated? Were they fired? Did they all comply?

For someone who claims not to watch Faux much, you seem to defend them regularly. Why is that?

mace1229

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

The Juggler

I recall many fox hosts calling Biden's either or "mandate" a "mandate" for months last year. 

HughFreakingDillon

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

LOL

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Just sometimes? You rebel.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Just sometimes? You rebel.

He said "all"...

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Just sometimes? You rebel.

He said "all"...

ALL THE TIME

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Just sometimes? You rebel.

He said "all"...

ALL THE TIME

MORE caffeine needed. But not even a little? Always drive the speed limit? Don’t fudge your taxes a wee little bit? Something?

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Exactly.  If there is another option at all then it's voluntary....weird hill to die on.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Just sometimes? You rebel.

He said "all"...

ALL THE TIME

MORE caffeine needed. But not even a little? Always drive the speed limit? Don’t fudge your taxes a wee little bit? Something?

Not asking me, but I've been told I violate the posting guidelines about once every couple of years.

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

No, I don’t consider an either/or a mandate. They had safety protocols and measures. They said you can skip some of that if you voluntarily get vaxed and show proof. I don’t see how that falls under the terms of a mandate.

I don’t know what happened to the staff who have refused since the city required it. I don’t know if they all complied. But the city will not allow them to work.

Im not defending fox. I don’t like most of the people there. Someone posted a statement about fox that I’ve heard several times and decided to look for myself if it was true. Shared what I found.

Many here reference Tucker and others quite often. I don’t recall the last time I’ve defended fox. I’m sure I’ve rebutted something someone said before, but it’s probably been a while.

Lets move on from this topic. You seem to be the only one who thinks voluntarily showing vaccine card is a mandate, so it’s time to move on.

Again, your portrayal of how it went down were not the “facts” and that is what I take issue with. Is it “voluntary” when there are actions/consequences taken/required if you don’t comply? See the difference? It’s not like employees could just refuse to show their vax status and go about their day. Who knows, maybe they couldn’t eat in the cafeteria or had to eat alone, sit in a corner until their test results came in, not able to attend meetings that impacted their work, potentially screwing their career, etc. Faux was the oppressor before NYC went ballistic.

Have a good day.

well, if it's not, then the entire premise of our justice system is in the toilet. I voluntarily don't break the law all the time. that's my choice. 

Exactly.  If there is another option at all then it's voluntary....weird hill to die on.

Who’s dying? It was a misrepresentation of the “facts” to claim it all went down when NYC mandated vaccines in December and claim as “fact” that faux “didn’t require anything.” Mace didn’t say “faux didn’t require vaccination.” He said, “faux didn’t require ‘anything’.” Faux required lots of things prior to the NYC vaccination mandate.

I get it, “facts” don’t matter to some. RIP.

cincybearcat

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-requires-covid-vaccination-b1980284.html

Seems they followed the city.

PJNB

So what is going on with the blue US states with restrictions going forward? Do states like NY and California have paths to dropping all of them by a certain date? In Canada most provinces have dates to lift all restrictions by the end of March and I am curious where some of you guys are at.