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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,411
    Personally I’m annoyed that we aren’t more energy independent.  We should never have slashed the keystone xl.  

    not our oil.
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  • Personally I’m annoyed that we aren’t more energy independent.  We should never have slashed the keystone xl.  
    Yikes
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,435
    lol ooof geez
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Personally I’m annoyed that we aren’t more energy independent.  We should never have slashed the keystone xl.  
    These are red herrings.  There is absolutely nothing stopping US based oil producers from producing more oil.  Our wells aren't dry.  They chose to shut production down throughout 2020 because oil demand plummeted.  And they have not fully restarted all of these rigs and wells.  Keystone is a political issue, it has zero effect on our ability to produce oil today.  
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,435
    If anyone had earnest intentions to want a nation to be energy-independent then that person - and nation - should be going above and beyond in terms of source and infrastructure imo.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    mickeyrat said:

    not our oil.
    Obviously and that’s not what I had said (not sure why that matters, it ran from Alberta I think? To Texas) but it would have seriously contributed to our energy supplies
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    LOL...not our energy
    Lol? Why? 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Obviously and that’s not what I had said (not sure why that matters, it ran from Alberta I think? To Texas) but it would have seriously contributed to our energy supplies
    I typed above, but you probably missed it.  There is nothing stopping US oil producers from producing more oil.  They shut down rigs and wells throughout 20/21 because the demand plummeted.  The supply issue is not governmental. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,697
    edited February 2022
    Remember when RUssia was the enemy?

    Now the QtRUmplicans led by the likes of the former guy and tuQer Qarlson are tripping all over themselves to defend RUssia and denigrate President Joe Biden.
    ZWho is defending Russia in this? I haven’t heard a single person anywhere, outside of Russia, defend Russia
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    mrussel1 said:
    These are red herrings.  There is absolutely nothing stopping US based oil producers from producing more oil.  Our wells aren't dry.  They chose to shut production down throughout 2020 because oil demand plummeted.  And they have not fully restarted all of these rigs and wells.  Keystone is a political issue, it has zero effect on our ability to produce oil today.  
    Sure it does, aren’t they all
    political? You don’t think the left would shut down attempts (by the right of course because the left won’t do it) to dig?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    mace1229 said:
    ZWho is defending Russia in this?
    Tucker 
    Rod Dreher
    Trump

    You want the pro Russia view from an American, read Dreher.  He's not a nobody.  He has been extolling Hungary for a few years and that's what led Tucker there.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/putin-war-ukraine-russia-ours/

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,411
    Obviously and that’s not what I had said (not sure why that matters, it ran from Alberta I think? To Texas) but it would have seriously contributed to our energy supplies

    ummm kinda thought independent meant being solely self sufficient and not relying on others for our shit?

    besides, arent we already an exporter? suggesting we are energy independent?
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,435
    mickeyrat said:

    ummm kinda thought independent meant being solely self sufficient and not relying on others for our shit?

    besides, arent we already an exporter? suggesting we are energy independent?
    Correct - being the world's #1 producer of oil we could in theory "take care of ourselves". 

    Again, if a nation actually cared about being self-sufficient then that would actually mean turning to other sources and changing infrastructure. There is an entire party (and industries) in this country built around not doing so.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Sure it does, aren’t they all
    political? You don’t think the left would shut down attempts (by the right of course because the left won’t do it) to dig?
    Sure, but they haven't.  So in the real world, if oil supply is low, there's nothing stopping American producers other than their own economics. 
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    mickeyrat said:

    ummm kinda thought independent meant being solely self sufficient and not relying on others for our shit?

    besides, arent we already an exporter? suggesting we are energy independent?
    Not exactly.

    From google:

    In spring 2021 imports of Russian oil to the United States in their highest level in a decade, become the second-largest exporter of oil to the US later that year. Across 2021 the US imported between 12 million as 26 million barrels of crude oil and petroleum from Russia every month
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    mrussel1 said:
    Sure, but they haven't.  So in the real world, if oil supply is low, there's nothing stopping American producers other than their own economics. 
    So then why are we importing 26 million barrels a month from Russia?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,411


    West hits back with sanctions as Russia pushes into Ukraine
    By RAF CASERT and AAMER MADHANI
    46 mins ago

    BRUSSELS (AP) — Responding swiftly to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s order sending troops to separatist regions of Ukraine, world leaders hit back with non-military actions Tuesday in hopes of averting a full-blown war in Europe.

    Germany made the first big move, taking steps to halt certification of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia — a massive, lucrative deal long sought by Moscow but criticized by the U.S. for increasing Europe's reliance on Russian energy supplies.

    And in Washington, U.S. President Joe Biden announced financial sanctions as punishment for what he called “the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine.” The sanctions will hit Russian financial institutions and oligarchs. He said the U.S. would impose “full blocking” on two large Russian financial institutions and “comprehensive sanctions” on Russian debt.


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    mace1229 said:
    ZWho is defending Russia in this? I haven’t heard a single person anywhere, outside of Russia, defend Russia
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I suggest every American who wants to know what’s *actually* going on in Russia and Ukraine, read this transcript of Putin’s address. As I’ve said for month— NATO (under direction from the United States) is violating previous agreements and expanding eastward. WE are at fault. <a href="https://t.co/NDmou8I36H">https://t.co/NDmou8I36H</a></p>&mdash; Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) <a href="">February 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,435
    One would guess due to our gross domestic reliance on humming our cars. And it's cheaper to be a net-exporter of overall oil where you can buy imported oil cheaper than what you are selling your own oil for overseas. I'm not trying to be a dick, but the same resources needed to try and prove your point (ala google) can also be your friend in asking a rhetorical question which probably has actual answers which may not agree with the rhetoric.

    Again, if a country wanted to actually be energy-independent it would mean going beyond oil.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    So then why are we importing 26 million barrels a month from Russia?
    Because US producers aren't doing enough? Our oil supply isn't controlled by the govt. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,641
    I always wondered if we were using up everybody else's oil first so that we could save ours for end times
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,435
    At any rate it's driving things off-topic. I would say if anything this is the kind of distractions Putin wants. I can't stress enough once gas prices spike really soon I hope people hold the line and realize the real reason (that being a power-hungry autocrat that would like to drop bombs on a sovereign nation) for it and not bitching about tHe dEmOnCrAtS
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    One would guess due to our gross domestic reliance on humming our cars. And it's cheaper to be a net-exporter of overall oil where you can buy imported oil cheaper than what you are selling your own oil for overseas. I'm not trying to be a dick, but the same resources needed to try and prove your point (ala google) can also be your friend in asking a rhetorical question which probably has actual answers which may not agree with the rhetoric.

    Again, if a country wanted to actually be energy-independent it would mean going beyond oil.
    You guys are quick to jump on anything someone says in here from an opposing viewpoint- it’s exactly why it’s so slimy in this forum.  Everyone quickly laughed at me until they were shown we import millions of barrels of crude from
    russia every month when they wrongfully assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about.  
    I used google to double check my point, and I stand by my original statement that I would like to see us using our own resources instead of paying Russia every month to fuel their insanity.

    do our sanctions involve no longer buying these barrels? Or are we continuing to send Russian companies 30 million a month while sanctioning them?
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,266
    edited February 2022
    The world's climate is going to hell

    People on a Pearl Jam message board: We should drill for more oil.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    You guys are quick to jump on anything someone says in here from an opposing viewpoint- it’s exactly why it’s so slimy in this forum.  Everyone quickly laughed at me until they were shown we import millions of barrels of crude from
    russia every month when they wrongfully assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about.  
    I used google to double check my point, and I stand by my original statement that I would like to see us using our own resources instead of paying Russia every month to fuel their insanity.

    do our sanctions involve no longer buying these barrels? Or are we continuing to send Russian companies 30 million a month while sanctioning them?
    At this point,  I don't believe we have cut that. But we will run those sanctions through the EU and other countries so no one is buying Russian oil.  

    I didn't think anyone laughed.  Russia supplies 10% of oil and gas.  The point I was making was that we have no governmental production constraints. So yes,  energy will increase in price during this war. But I don't think that's too much to ask from selfish Americans.  
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,435
    The world's climate is going to hell

    People on a Pearl Jam message board: We should drill for more oil.
    Correct. One day if people realize they want to be energy-independent then that means sweeping changes to sources of use, consumption levels, and infra.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,205
    The world's climate is going to hell

    People on a Pearl Jam message board: We should drill for more oil.
    Remember Eddie flies private and those planes don't  use solar power
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