I find it odd that people are only willing to look at the last 2 years of what he's done. I mean, the guy has been dedicating his life's work for 50 years researching and fighting infectious diseases all over the world. unless you think he did all that because his end game was getting to talk to Don Lemon every other day. 

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah I'm big on whataboutisms but it just seems like such an explainable situation (to prevent health care workers from not having proper protection) that it is justified.

But whatever.  Let's discredit Fauci as much as possible because that helps.

helps what? are helping solve the covid crisis here? I think it's a good discussion to have, because until nick brought it up, I hadn't seen fauci's quote about masking data/theory in the early days vs now. I think honestly it's great for people to see that. Myself included. 

So do you think his explanation was acceptable?

It's like the Maddow clip I brought up the other day that I keep seeing everywhere. In the early days of the vaccine the reports were that the vaccinated would not carry the virus to pass to others. Now we know that is wrong yet the right is going on and on about how Maddow lied to discredit her.  

Same with Fauci. In the very early response he said something incorrect that he corrected very soon after that. Yet here we are calling him a liar.

Doesn't make sense to me but whatever.  Carry on.

Fuck Fauci! He must be stupid because he says masks don't help!

I remember listening to Fauci explain that he didn't want N95 masks going to regular people, because they wouldn't get in the hands of people that really need them.  That is definitely true.  I couldn't believe he said that.

People have a hard time believing him now because of something like that.

Nick is right about masks being bought up in droves and sent to China.  I couldn't find ANY for my men.  Got lucky w one vendor and rationed those until a month later when new shipments were coming in.

But does a comment that Fauci made that was soon backtracked/corrected really have anything to do with N95 masks being sent to China in January 2020? That's what Nick said. Fauci made his statement on March 8, 2020 right?

I'm with you, and astounded by this train of thought. Why would I want decisions made today to be based on realities observed or believed years prior? Learning, and evolving stances based on learning, are not shameful activities worthy of ridicule. If others disagree, maybe we should resume burning witches and reintroducing segregation, while trying to walk to the edge of the world to see what happens when we fall off it.

lol....he said masks don't work

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I'm allergic to laytex, poly and lambskin.  Sucks. 

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I'm allergic to laytex, poly and lambskin.  Sucks. 

so i guess it is wear a mask then?

Yeah it's really been a curse not being able to wear a condom. 

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I'm allergic to laytex, poly and lambskin.  Sucks. 

so i guess it is wear a mask then?

Yeah it's really been a curse not being able to wear a condom. 

yeah man that sucks. i am sorry to hear.

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I live a few miles down the road from where Ryan White moved when he started getting discriminated against at his school. It is amazing to think of it now because that town (who accepted him with open arms in their school) is the most redneck hillbilly anti-mask place in the midwest right now.