Viruses / Vaccines

"SAVE ME, BRANDON!!!"

https://twitter.com/GovAbbott/status/1476965292324667395?s=20

The only thing that works 100% is social distancing…that’s why wave 1 came under control easier.  The mask thing is a fucking joke.  I’m sure someone with their dollar store China cloth mask or homemade cloth mask offer abundance protection…maybe if everyone was wearing n 95 (must also pass a fit test)…i’m skeptical about the mask bullshit.  Yes, the science says they protect us…of course they do if people are using mask that are designed for those purposes…most are wearing their germ filled disgusting cloth mask…

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

And Fauci confirmed that a Covid positive kid with a broken arm counts as part of that 378. No Covid issues, broken arm.   We need legitimate numbers.

Yep.  The with/from differentiation never seems to be included in any stats you see which is absolutely mind-boggling.  But the media just loves throwing around these huge numbers around to scare the shit out of everyone.  Another day of case records!!  Hospitals are filling up!!! It's like hospitals were completely empty and no one ever got sick or injured before the pandemic.

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

Show me where these kids are in the hospital from covid and not with covid please. Almost 2 years into this pandemic and we still can't differentiate between the two for some odd reason. If someone is in the hospital because of covid tally that one up as a hospitalization. If they are in the hospital for something else and also have covid with mild symptoms then tally that one up as not a hospitalization. It is not hard. 

My wife likes to listen to talk radio....yesterday in the car, our head nurse was being interviewed. she was asked direct questions about how many people in the ICU were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. she sidestepped the question and gave stats on your likelihood of being in the ICU vs not if you are vaccinated. he then asked if those percentages bear out in the numbers she is seeing in our hospitals....PAUSE...."yes". 

clearly (to me), she just didn't want to say that there are indeed people in hospital and ICU who are fully vaccinated, as they don't want to discourage people from getting the vaccine. give me the facts. MAKE me trust you. don't bullshit me for your agenda just because you think the ends justify the means. 

Very true. I do think our population is too dumb to be honest to follow a lot of the real numbers though. Just because there are vaccinated people in the ICU that does not mean the vaccine does not work. If 95% of the vulnerable population is vaccinated and the unvaccinated are still outnumbering the vaccinated in the hospital that is a staggering difference to think about. For some reason a lot of people can't see this though. I have had numerous discussions with people that are against the vaccine that just look at the numbers in the hospital. If it is a 60/40 split how does the vaccine work I was asked. Well if 80% of the population is double vaxxed how is that number not even greater if the vaccine does not work I replied. They just can't get it and like you said the way they feed it to us does not help and only leads to more speculation and doubt a lot of the time.

there is absolutely that angle to it, for sure. they don't want to fuel a misinterpretation of the data. I just get frustrated that we're all forced to listen to a remedial version of the facts because of stupids. 

Hence, no trust.  The masks was one of the first big lies besides Trump’s.  That was a bad one.

What lie about masks are you referring to?

Anthony Fauci and the U.S. government’s noble COVID-19 lies. (slate.com)

yes, this was done, it seems, across the board. Theresa Tamm here in canada did the same thing, apparently for the same reasons. Now, intelligent adults like ourselves can hear this information and be mildly annoyed yet understand the intent behind it. Does it sow some mistrust? No question. But creating messaging that:

1) people will legitimately adhere to, and
2) be backed up by all data
3) without creating panic or causing complacency (depending on positive/negative ratio of message)

is a very difficult tight rope to walk on. Do I agree with what he and others have done? not all the time, no. However, we saw the Toilet Paper Fiasco of March 2020. When people are told too much negative truth, they panic. When they are told too much positive truth, they get complacent. 

So what, in your view, should he/they have done? (not challenging, honest question)

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

And Fauci confirmed that a Covid positive kid with a broken arm counts as part of that 378. No Covid issues, broken arm.   We need legitimate numbers.

That's such a red herring. Kids rarely end up in the hospital.  And you don't get hospitalized for a broken arm either unless it's shattered and you need major surgery.  Point is that is hospitalizations suddenly have spiked in the last month,  you can feel pretty confident it's COVID. There's not a broken arm epidemic happening. 

nicknyr15 said:

I was always interested in finding out more info about infections. Especially lately. Example 

67,000 new case. Ok. How many were vaccinated, boosted, not vaccinated, second infections etc…. It was never information to find, unfortunately. 

really? they post this in nifty little pie charts daily here. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

Show me where these kids are in the hospital from covid and not with covid please. Almost 2 years into this pandemic and we still can't differentiate between the two for some odd reason. If someone is in the hospital because of covid tally that one up as a hospitalization. If they are in the hospital for something else and also have covid with mild symptoms then tally that one up as not a hospitalization. It is not hard. 

My wife likes to listen to talk radio....yesterday in the car, our head nurse was being interviewed. she was asked direct questions about how many people in the ICU were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. she sidestepped the question and gave stats on your likelihood of being in the ICU vs not if you are vaccinated. he then asked if those percentages bear out in the numbers she is seeing in our hospitals....PAUSE...."yes". 

clearly (to me), she just didn't want to say that there are indeed people in hospital and ICU who are fully vaccinated, as they don't want to discourage people from getting the vaccine. give me the facts. MAKE me trust you. don't bullshit me for your agenda just because you think the ends justify the means. 

Very true. I do think our population is too dumb to be honest to follow a lot of the real numbers though. Just because there are vaccinated people in the ICU that does not mean the vaccine does not work. If 95% of the vulnerable population is vaccinated and the unvaccinated are still outnumbering the vaccinated in the hospital that is a staggering difference to think about. For some reason a lot of people can't see this though. I have had numerous discussions with people that are against the vaccine that just look at the numbers in the hospital. If it is a 60/40 split how does the vaccine work I was asked. Well if 80% of the population is double vaxxed how is that number not even greater if the vaccine does not work I replied. They just can't get it and like you said the way they feed it to us does not help and only leads to more speculation and doubt a lot of the time.

there is absolutely that angle to it, for sure. they don't want to fuel a misinterpretation of the data. I just get frustrated that we're all forced to listen to a remedial version of the facts because of stupids. 

Hence, no trust.  The masks was one of the first big lies besides Trump’s.  That was a bad one.

What lie about masks are you referring to?

Anthony Fauci and the U.S. government’s noble COVID-19 lies. (slate.com)

yes, this was done, it seems, across the board. Theresa Tamm here in canada did the same thing, apparently for the same reasons. Now, intelligent adults like ourselves can hear this information and be mildly annoyed yet understand the intent behind it. Does it sow some mistrust? No question. But creating messaging that:

1) people will legitimately adhere to, and
2) be backed up by all data
3) without creating panic or causing complacency (depending on positive/negative ratio of message)

is a very difficult tight rope to walk on. Do I agree with what he and others have done? not all the time, no. However, we saw the Toilet Paper Fiasco of March 2020. When people are told too much negative truth, they panic. When they are told too much positive truth, they get complacent. 

So what, in your view, should he/they have done? (not challenging, honest question)

I think they need to tell the truth and the information they have available.  If masks are important, then say that.  

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

Show me where these kids are in the hospital from covid and not with covid please. Almost 2 years into this pandemic and we still can't differentiate between the two for some odd reason. If someone is in the hospital because of covid tally that one up as a hospitalization. If they are in the hospital for something else and also have covid with mild symptoms then tally that one up as not a hospitalization. It is not hard. 

My wife likes to listen to talk radio....yesterday in the car, our head nurse was being interviewed. she was asked direct questions about how many people in the ICU were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. she sidestepped the question and gave stats on your likelihood of being in the ICU vs not if you are vaccinated. he then asked if those percentages bear out in the numbers she is seeing in our hospitals....PAUSE...."yes". 

clearly (to me), she just didn't want to say that there are indeed people in hospital and ICU who are fully vaccinated, as they don't want to discourage people from getting the vaccine. give me the facts. MAKE me trust you. don't bullshit me for your agenda just because you think the ends justify the means. 

Very true. I do think our population is too dumb to be honest to follow a lot of the real numbers though. Just because there are vaccinated people in the ICU that does not mean the vaccine does not work. If 95% of the vulnerable population is vaccinated and the unvaccinated are still outnumbering the vaccinated in the hospital that is a staggering difference to think about. For some reason a lot of people can't see this though. I have had numerous discussions with people that are against the vaccine that just look at the numbers in the hospital. If it is a 60/40 split how does the vaccine work I was asked. Well if 80% of the population is double vaxxed how is that number not even greater if the vaccine does not work I replied. They just can't get it and like you said the way they feed it to us does not help and only leads to more speculation and doubt a lot of the time.

there is absolutely that angle to it, for sure. they don't want to fuel a misinterpretation of the data. I just get frustrated that we're all forced to listen to a remedial version of the facts because of stupids. 

Hence, no trust.  The masks was one of the first big lies besides Trump’s.  That was a bad one.

What lie about masks are you referring to?

Anthony Fauci and the U.S. government’s noble COVID-19 lies. (slate.com)

yes, this was done, it seems, across the board. Theresa Tamm here in canada did the same thing, apparently for the same reasons. Now, intelligent adults like ourselves can hear this information and be mildly annoyed yet understand the intent behind it. Does it sow some mistrust? No question. But creating messaging that:

1) people will legitimately adhere to, and
2) be backed up by all data
3) without creating panic or causing complacency (depending on positive/negative ratio of message)

is a very difficult tight rope to walk on. Do I agree with what he and others have done? not all the time, no. However, we saw the Toilet Paper Fiasco of March 2020. When people are told too much negative truth, they panic. When they are told too much positive truth, they get complacent. 

So what, in your view, should he/they have done? (not challenging, honest question)

I think they need to tell the truth and the information they have available.  If masks are important, then say that.  

It is tough though.  But we saw the lack of preparedness and that is what forced the lie or noble lie.  We should be more prepared.  

The consequences of an untrustworthy government are probably worse in the long run compared to a run on masks or toilet paper.

The government works for us.  I think we and the government forget that a lot.  It is not their place to withhold information from us that is important to our health because they weren’t prepared to deal with it.

they do work for us, for sure, but do you think they should just trust the general public with any and all information, regardless of risk of mass panic?

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

And Fauci confirmed that a Covid positive kid with a broken arm counts as part of that 378. No Covid issues, broken arm.   We need legitimate numbers.

That's such a red herring. Kids rarely end up in the hospital.  And you don't get hospitalized for a broken arm either unless it's shattered and you need major surgery.  Point is that is hospitalizations suddenly have spiked in the last month,  you can feel pretty confident it's COVID. There's not a broken arm epidemic happening. 

They won't respond to this.

Everytime a valid point is made they move the goalposts.

It's almost impossible to have a disagreement in good faith with most people hear because I guess they just can't handle bad news.

It is hard to have a disagreement in good faith with someone when you are being labeled a bad parent by yourself. The convo ends right there. You do not know me or how good of a parent I am but hey keep on acting you are having a disagreement in good faith.