Viruses / Vaccines

OnWis97

nicknyr15 said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

That last comment is unnecessary.  Some have perfectly good reasons.  The J&J vaccine fiasco is enough support for the argument that these vaccines were rushed.  If these vaccines were perfectly safe the. They wouldn’t tell people not to get the J&J vaccine months after telling people to use it.  

My dad has been dealing with AFIB and serious high/low blood pressure issues ever since taking the J&J vaccine.   Too much of a coincidence.   He would love to take back the decision of getting vaxed.  Could he have got the same issues with COVID, sure, but the fact remains most likely that the vaccine hurt him instead.  Is there proof?  No, but too much of a coincidence to not have those symptoms and then a few days after the vaccine having those symptoms long term.

Edit:  I got the Pfizer booster last week.  Decided not to mix and match since I didn’t have any issues with the Pfizer vaccine originally.

That comment is very annoying to me as well. It either comes from a place of self righteousness or assuming anyone who isn’t vaccinated is a white , racist , anti science conservative. Which just isn’t the truth. 

Anti Vaccine conspiracy theorists? Yea , I’d agree. Fuck them. But the people who looked into the facts and decided it’s not for them, I have no problem with. Vaccinated people who threw caution to the wind because they felt invincible are also responsible for spreading the virus. But who cares? People should worry about themselves and do what’s best for them. 

I'd be curious to know how true this is (or if it's at all measurable).  Anecdotally, I find that vaccinated people are still more cautious than non-vaccinated people. I'm sure there are vaccinated people who think it's like armor. There's a tendency for unvaxxed people to "not live in fear." IN GENERAL, I think vaxxed people are more conscious of things beyond "99% survival" (i.e., being a link in the spread, demand on the health care system, etc.). The "unvaxxed for political reasons" crowd tends to think we should be doing nothing preventative.  It's funny when a store says "masks required for unvaxxed." I'd bet it's the vaxxed that are disproportionately masked.

Are there people that either cannot be vaccinated or chose not to because of certain non-conspiracy-based fears who are otherwise conscientious?  Probably a few but not a lot. In general, I'd say the lion's share of the spread still falls on the unvaxxed.

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

nicknyr15 said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

That last comment is unnecessary.  Some have perfectly good reasons.  The J&J vaccine fiasco is enough support for the argument that these vaccines were rushed.  If these vaccines were perfectly safe the. They wouldn’t tell people not to get the J&J vaccine months after telling people to use it.  

My dad has been dealing with AFIB and serious high/low blood pressure issues ever since taking the J&J vaccine.   Too much of a coincidence.   He would love to take back the decision of getting vaxed.  Could he have got the same issues with COVID, sure, but the fact remains most likely that the vaccine hurt him instead.  Is there proof?  No, but too much of a coincidence to not have those symptoms and then a few days after the vaccine having those symptoms long term.

Edit:  I got the Pfizer booster last week.  Decided not to mix and match since I didn’t have any issues with the Pfizer vaccine originally.

That comment is very annoying to me as well. It either comes from a place of self righteousness or assuming anyone who isn’t vaccinated is a white , racist , anti science conservative. Which just isn’t the truth. 

Anti Vaccine conspiracy theorists? Yea , I’d agree. Fuck them. But the people who looked into the facts and decided it’s not for them, I have no problem with. Vaccinated people who threw caution to the wind because they felt invincible are also responsible for spreading the virus. But who cares? People should worry about themselves and do what’s best for them. 

I'd be curious to know how true this is (or if it's at all measurable).  Anecdotally, I find that vaccinated people are still more cautious than non-vaccinated people. I'm sure there are vaccinated people who think it's like armor. There's a tendency for unvaxxed people to "not live in fear." IN GENERAL, I think vaxxed people are more conscious of things beyond "99% survival" (i.e., being a link in the spread, demand on the health care system, etc.). The "unvaxxed for political reasons" crowd tends to think we should be doing nothing preventative.  It's funny when a store says "masks required for unvaxxed." I'd bet it's the vaxxed that are disproportionately masked.

Are there people that either cannot be vaccinated or chose not to because of certain non-conspiracy-based fears who are otherwise conscientious?  Probably a few but not a lot. In general, I'd say the lion's share of the spread still falls on the unvaxxed.

I don't personally know any unvaxxed that I know of. All I can tell you is, last summer, with friends coming in from Vancouver and our usual 5 families getting together for two weeks for drinks and relaxation at the lake, sitting in a veranda in very close quarters for hours on end, when cases were at the then-high for the pandemic, all of us vaxxed were opening saying "the pandemic is over for me". 

nicknyr15

Over 67k new cases here in NYC. Most single day total for the entire pandemic. 

Spunkie

Yay! An extra week of no school in BC!!! Kid is happy  

josevolution

I postponed my trip to Chile next week! Just couldn’t take a chance. 

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

Over 67k new cases here in NYC. Most single day total for the entire pandemic. 

3 Americans per second are testing positive for COVID! 

bootlegger10

josevolution said:

I postponed my trip to Chile next week! Just couldn’t take a chance. 

That really sucks.  

dignin

Indifference71 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

Alright then.  Starting next week I won't be able to bring my 5 year old to restaurants or movie theaters because he isn't fully vaxxed yet.  Fuck him though, right?

Give me a break, you know that's not what I meant.

I don't know where you live but where I live if you are not eligible to get vaccinated you can still.go everywhere the vaccinated can.

Again, fuck the "willingly" unvaccinated.

dignin

nicknyr15 said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

That last comment is unnecessary.  Some have perfectly good reasons.  The J&J vaccine fiasco is enough support for the argument that these vaccines were rushed.  If these vaccines were perfectly safe the. They wouldn’t tell people not to get the J&J vaccine months after telling people to use it.  

My dad has been dealing with AFIB and serious high/low blood pressure issues ever since taking the J&J vaccine.   Too much of a coincidence.   He would love to take back the decision of getting vaxed.  Could he have got the same issues with COVID, sure, but the fact remains most likely that the vaccine hurt him instead.  Is there proof?  No, but too much of a coincidence to not have those symptoms and then a few days after the vaccine having those symptoms long term.

Edit:  I got the Pfizer booster last week.  Decided not to mix and match since I didn’t have any issues with the Pfizer vaccine originally.

That comment is very annoying to me as well. It either comes from a place of self righteousness or assuming anyone who isn’t vaccinated is a white , racist , anti science conservative. Which just isn’t the truth. 

Anti Vaccine conspiracy theorists? Yea , I’d agree. Fuck them. But the people who looked into the facts and decided it’s not for them, I have no problem with. Vaccinated people who threw caution to the wind because they felt invincible are also responsible for spreading the virus. But who cares? People should worry about themselves and do what’s best for them. 

Fuck those people who looked into the "facts" and decided it wasn't for them.

What nonsense.

Meltdown99

Meltdown99

i think you should get vaccinated…but whatever happened to “my body, my choice?”

Meltdown99

I got this when I got my booster.  Should have my free pizza by next Christmas….

bbiggs

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

Alright then.  Starting next week I won't be able to bring my 5 year old to restaurants or movie theaters because he isn't fully vaxxed yet.  Fuck him though, right?

Give me a break, you know that's not what I meant.

I don't know where you live but where I live if you are not eligible to get vaccinated you can still.go everywhere the vaccinated can.

Again, fuck the "willingly" unvaccinated.

The OP lives in the same area that I do.  Ages 5 and up are eligible to be vaccinated.  On January 3, anyone aged 5 and older that is not fully vaccinated cannot go to restaurants, theaters, etc. as he mentioned.  I have no idea if he intends to vaccinate his child and frankly it is none of my business.  I do think mandating children as young as 5 years old to be vaccinated to enter these establishments is over-reaching, and I certainly would not subscribe to the "fuck them" mentality.

Meltdown99

https://globalnews.ca/video/8477263/come-from-away-closing-in-toronto-amid-covid-19-pressures

Come From Away’ closing in Toronto amid COVID-19 pressures

elvistheking44

Curious what people’s days are like on here….
I had the day off today, took my kid to get a passport renewal, grabbed a coffee and a donut afterwards. We exchanged some Christmas presents she wasn’t too happy about then my wife took her shopping at a few other stores. People everywhere, masks everywhere, all indoors. Been this way for us for close to a year and a half now.  We’re careful, all vaxxed and our life has gone on. Life is a risk. You can get car jacked, shot, mugged, killed in a car crash, get cancer, get shot at work, fall down the stairs, get killed in a tornado….the list goes on and on and on and on.  So did you hide in your house all day? Seriously, what are your days like?

Halifax2TheMax

elvistheking44 said:

Curious what people’s days are like on here….
I had the day off today, took my kid to get a passport renewal, grabbed a coffee and a donut afterwards. We exchanged some Christmas presents she wasn’t too happy about then my wife took her shopping at a few other stores. People everywhere, masks everywhere, all indoors. Been this way for us for close to a year and a half now.  We’re careful, all vaxxed and our life has gone on. Life is a risk. You can get car jacked, shot, mugged, killed in a car crash, get cancer, get shot at work, fall down the stairs, get killed in a tornado….the list goes on and on and on and on.  So did you hide in your house all day? Seriously, what are your days like?

Hookers and blow. Hookers and blow, baby. My religion, my cult.

Meltdown99

The only thing I’m sold on is that the vaccine should keep me alive and out of the hospital…good enough for me.  If other folks choose to live with risk…so be it.  However, the unvaccinated should be moved to military built field hospitals at their own expense…plus, it’d really feed into the conspiracy theorist nut jobs out there…

dignin

bbiggs said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

Alright then.  Starting next week I won't be able to bring my 5 year old to restaurants or movie theaters because he isn't fully vaxxed yet.  Fuck him though, right?

Give me a break, you know that's not what I meant.

I don't know where you live but where I live if you are not eligible to get vaccinated you can still.go everywhere the vaccinated can.

Again, fuck the "willingly" unvaccinated.

The OP lives in the same area that I do.  Ages 5 and up are eligible to be vaccinated.  On January 3, anyone aged 5 and older that is not fully vaccinated cannot go to restaurants, theaters, etc. as he mentioned.  I have no idea if he intends to vaccinate his child and frankly it is none of my business.  I do think mandating children as young as 5 years old to be vaccinated to enter these establishments is over-reaching, and I certainly would not subscribe to the "fuck them" mentality.

If someone isn't vaccinating their eligible child I throw them in the "fuck them" pile. It's not the kids fault their parents make bad decisions.

I applaud your local government for taking a stand based on common sense and science.

dignin

elvistheking44 said:

Curious what people’s days are like on here….
I had the day off today, took my kid to get a passport renewal, grabbed a coffee and a donut afterwards. We exchanged some Christmas presents she wasn’t too happy about then my wife took her shopping at a few other stores. People everywhere, masks everywhere, all indoors. Been this way for us for close to a year and a half now.  We’re careful, all vaxxed and our life has gone on. Life is a risk. You can get car jacked, shot, mugged, killed in a car crash, get cancer, get shot at work, fall down the stairs, get killed in a tornado….the list goes on and on and on and on.  So did you hide in your house all day? Seriously, what are your days like?

Stayed in all day today except for work.

It's been below -30 c here all week, why would I want to willingly go out in that?

bbiggs

dignin said:

bbiggs said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

Alright then.  Starting next week I won't be able to bring my 5 year old to restaurants or movie theaters because he isn't fully vaxxed yet.  Fuck him though, right?

Give me a break, you know that's not what I meant.

I don't know where you live but where I live if you are not eligible to get vaccinated you can still.go everywhere the vaccinated can.

Again, fuck the "willingly" unvaccinated.

The OP lives in the same area that I do.  Ages 5 and up are eligible to be vaccinated.  On January 3, anyone aged 5 and older that is not fully vaccinated cannot go to restaurants, theaters, etc. as he mentioned.  I have no idea if he intends to vaccinate his child and frankly it is none of my business.  I do think mandating children as young as 5 years old to be vaccinated to enter these establishments is over-reaching, and I certainly would not subscribe to the "fuck them" mentality.

If someone isn't vaccinating their eligible child I throw them in the "fuck them" pile. It's not the kids fault their parents make bad decisions.

I applaud your local government for taking a stand based on common sense and science.

Good approach.  I'm sure you'll get a lot of bad decision-making parents that don't want to vaccinate their 5 year old to jump on board when you tell them to fuck off.