Viruses / Vaccines

mickeyrat

hospitals here are also restricting elective type procedures.

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Gern Blansten

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I would take Canada's system over the US any day. Our medical equipment reps (no medical degree....some probably have no degrees at all) can make $700K/year.

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah I'm really not interested in having to re-mortgage my house to get treated for a sprained ankle. 

You go to the doctor for a sprained ankle? 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah I'm really not interested in having to re-mortgage my house to get treated for a sprained ankle. 

You go to the doctor for a sprained ankle? 

only if I also have an owy in my tummy. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah I'm really not interested in having to re-mortgage my house to get treated for a sprained ankle. 

You go to the doctor for a sprained ankle? 

only if I also have an owy in my tummy. 

Don't you come at me with your Fauci Ouchi

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah I'm really not interested in having to re-mortgage my house to get treated for a sprained ankle. 

You go to the doctor for a sprained ankle? 

only if I also have an owy in my tummy. 

Don't you come at me with your Fauci Ouchi

LOL

Meltdown99

Of all western countries, Canada has one of them, if not the worst socialized system.  Ontario 15 million citizens with an ICU capacity around 500-700...that's it.  My brother-in-law has had his hip surgery cancelled 3 times and starting Wednesday all these procedures get cancelled for the foreseeable future...yup great system we have...

HughFreakingDillon

no one said it was a "great system". you're moving the goal posts again. 

nicknyr15

You’ve heard of delta
you know Omicron
now get ready for ..
Flurona 

https://m.timesofindia.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/the-first-case-of-florona-flu-coronavirus-detected-in-israel-heres-all-you-need-to-know-about-symptoms-and-severity/amp_etphotostory/88663172.cms

tempo_n_groove

nicknyr15 said:

You’ve heard of delta
you know Omicron
now get ready for ..
Flurona 

https://m.timesofindia.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/the-first-case-of-florona-flu-coronavirus-detected-in-israel-heres-all-you-need-to-know-about-symptoms-and-severity/amp_etphotostory/88663172.cms

Is this a joke?  It's a mixture of the Rona and the flu.  The name sounds like something the Onion would make up.

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k.
And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional.
Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k.
And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional.
Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.

Sounds like you need a new plan.

Meltdown99

Also I do not believe I said that Americanized health care is the answer…I AM ADVOCATING FOR BETTER FUNDING…don’t be so obtuse.

HughFreakingDillon

where is that funding going to come from, genius? the tax increases you'll bitch about paying, that's where. 

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Well said.  Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!

Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust.  Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.

Meltdown99

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Well said.  Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!

Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust.  Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.

You should stop talking about the Canadian system.  It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized?  Do you think the entire system is government?  There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System?  Quebec has private clinics.  They are known for private clinics.  Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make  it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system.  I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…

static111

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Well said.  Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!

Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust.  Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.

You should stop talking about the Canadian system.  It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized?  Do you think the entire system is government?  There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System?  Quebec has private clinics.  They are known for private clinics.  Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make  it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system.  I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…

Is necessary health care available and free at point of use for all canadian citizens?  Sure maybe each province has its own way of organizing things, but if it is subsidized by taxes and the Federal Government of your country, it sounds centralized to me..  My point is it is easier and more cost effective for canadians to get access to basic healthcare than in the US.  I'm sure when it comes to elective surgeries and other more serious matters it isn't so simple in Canada, hence the need for additional private practices and insurance.

Not sure why you want to go around like people are pissing in your cornflakes all day.  My original point was that our for profit capitalistic system south of the border isn't so hot either.  And since we get taxed on top of our $1000 a month premiums, I'd rather get basic healthcare for free since I'm getting taxed up my ass anyways.

Gern Blansten

Meltdown99 said:

Of all western countries, Canada has one of them, if not the worst socialized system.  Ontario 15 million citizens with an ICU capacity around 500-700...that's it.  My brother-in-law has had his hip surgery cancelled 3 times and starting Wednesday all these procedures get cancelled for the foreseeable future...yup great system we have...

and yet Canada still rates higher than the US according to the WHO

static111

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Well said.  Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!

Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust.  Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.

You should stop talking about the Canadian system.  It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized?  Do you think the entire system is government?  There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System?  Quebec has private clinics.  They are known for private clinics.  Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make  it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system.  I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…

And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance?  Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP?  Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?