Viruses / Vaccines

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Merkin Baller said:

Edited to include link:
https://twitter.com/judiciarygop/status/1476629444869693441?s=21

A room full of brainiacs for sure in that group. 

Quebec has brought back curfew.  Ontario has delayed school opening 2 days so schools have time to prepare…wtf have they been doing for the last 2 years…

Get the vaccine.  Everything will return to normal.  Lmfao.  Just 2 more weeks.  

mickeyrat said:

dignin said:

bbiggs said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

dignin said:

Indifference71 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Fauci Says Domestic Travel Vaccination Rule Should Be Considered (msn.com)

I'm vaccinated (including booster) and have flown 5 times in the last couple months, but i disagree with this.  You can catch the virus and transmit whether you are vaxed or non-vaxed.   The unvaccinated have been on planes and in restaurants ever since March 2020.  Why start now?  COVID19 is terrible, but time for people to make their own decisions about what they are comfortable doing and move on.  

Yep.  I'm fully vaxxed and currently dealing with my own case of covid.  It's blatantly obvious that being vaxxed does not help contain the spread so why on earth would they institute a mandate like this??  It will do nothing.  It's like the vax mandate that Chicago and Cook County have going into place in January where you have to be fully vaxxed to go to gyms, restaurants, movies, etc...  NYC and LA have had a similar mandate in place for months and they are both seeing record amounts of cases.  What science are they following here???  It's all just political theater.  

The chances of you going to the hospital and dying are far lower because you are vaccinated.

That's why we still want people to be vaccinated and why we should be making life less convenient for the unvaccinated.

Fuck the unvaccinated.

Alright then.  Starting next week I won't be able to bring my 5 year old to restaurants or movie theaters because he isn't fully vaxxed yet.  Fuck him though, right?

Give me a break, you know that's not what I meant.

I don't know where you live but where I live if you are not eligible to get vaccinated you can still.go everywhere the vaccinated can.

Again, fuck the "willingly" unvaccinated.

The OP lives in the same area that I do.  Ages 5 and up are eligible to be vaccinated.  On January 3, anyone aged 5 and older that is not fully vaccinated cannot go to restaurants, theaters, etc. as he mentioned.  I have no idea if he intends to vaccinate his child and frankly it is none of my business.  I do think mandating children as young as 5 years old to be vaccinated to enter these establishments is over-reaching, and I certainly would not subscribe to the "fuck them" mentality.

If someone isn't vaccinating their eligible child I throw them in the "fuck them" pile. It's not the kids fault their parents make bad decisions.

I applaud your local government for taking a stand based on common sense and science.

you are factoring in possible health considerations for these otherwiise eligible children before your seemingly blanket "fuck them" aren't  you?

If my kids doctor said no because of a health reason, then no, I wouldn't.

Indifference71 said:

bbiggs said:

bootlegger10 said:

What is up with parents?  Why wouldn’t they vaccinate a five year old who has a .0001% chance of having issues from Covid?  Monsters!

Bad decision-makers.  Fuck them.

I know...what a monster I am, right???  I intend to get my 5 year old vaxxed.  He just turned 5 a couple weeks ago so I'm not in a huge hurry to do it.  The fact that he wasn't eligible the week before and then all of a sudden the doctor is pressuring to have him vaxxed right away is what gave my wife and I a little bit of pause.

Why would that give anyone pause?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

Show me where these kids are in the hospital from covid and not with covid please. Almost 2 years into this pandemic and we still can't differentiate between the two for some odd reason. If someone is in the hospital because of covid tally that one up as a hospitalization. If they are in the hospital for something else and also have covid with mild symptoms then tally that one up as not a hospitalization. It is not hard. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

Show me where these kids are in the hospital from covid and not with covid please. Almost 2 years into this pandemic and we still can't differentiate between the two for some odd reason. If someone is in the hospital because of covid tally that one up as a hospitalization. If they are in the hospital for something else and also have covid with mild symptoms then tally that one up as not a hospitalization. It is not hard. 

My wife likes to listen to talk radio....yesterday in the car, our head nurse was being interviewed. she was asked direct questions about how many people in the ICU were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. she sidestepped the question and gave stats on your likelihood of being in the ICU vs not if you are vaccinated. he then asked if those percentages bear out in the numbers she is seeing in our hospitals....PAUSE...."yes". 

clearly (to me), she just didn't want to say that there are indeed people in hospital and ICU who are fully vaccinated, as they don't want to discourage people from getting the vaccine. give me the facts. MAKE me trust you. don't bullshit me for your agenda just because you think the ends justify the means. 

Very true. I do think our population is too dumb to be honest to follow a lot of the real numbers though. Just because there are vaccinated people in the ICU that does not mean the vaccine does not work. If 95% of the vulnerable population is vaccinated and the unvaccinated are still outnumbering the vaccinated in the hospital that is a staggering difference to think about. For some reason a lot of people can't see this though. I have had numerous discussions with people that are against the vaccine that just look at the numbers in the hospital. If it is a 60/40 split how does the vaccine work I was asked. Well if 80% of the population is double vaxxed how is that number not even greater if the vaccine does not work I replied. They just can't get it and like you said the way they feed it to us does not help and only leads to more speculation and doubt a lot of the time.

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

tish said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.

Thanks for this Tish.

I also saw this today.

COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag


"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"


https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16409746800752&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://globalnews.ca/news/8481415/covid-19-us-children-hospitalizations/

The results of parents making bad decisions.

Show me where these kids are in the hospital from covid and not with covid please. Almost 2 years into this pandemic and we still can't differentiate between the two for some odd reason. If someone is in the hospital because of covid tally that one up as a hospitalization. If they are in the hospital for something else and also have covid with mild symptoms then tally that one up as not a hospitalization. It is not hard. 

My wife likes to listen to talk radio....yesterday in the car, our head nurse was being interviewed. she was asked direct questions about how many people in the ICU were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. she sidestepped the question and gave stats on your likelihood of being in the ICU vs not if you are vaccinated. he then asked if those percentages bear out in the numbers she is seeing in our hospitals....PAUSE...."yes". 

clearly (to me), she just didn't want to say that there are indeed people in hospital and ICU who are fully vaccinated, as they don't want to discourage people from getting the vaccine. give me the facts. MAKE me trust you. don't bullshit me for your agenda just because you think the ends justify the means. 

Very true. I do think our population is too dumb to be honest to follow a lot of the real numbers though. Just because there are vaccinated people in the ICU that does not mean the vaccine does not work. If 95% of the vulnerable population is vaccinated and the unvaccinated are still outnumbering the vaccinated in the hospital that is a staggering difference to think about. For some reason a lot of people can't see this though. I have had numerous discussions with people that are against the vaccine that just look at the numbers in the hospital. If it is a 60/40 split how does the vaccine work I was asked. Well if 80% of the population is double vaxxed how is that number not even greater if the vaccine does not work I replied. They just can't get it and like you said the way they feed it to us does not help and only leads to more speculation and doubt a lot of the time.

there is absolutely that angle to it, for sure. they don't want to fuel a misinterpretation of the data. I just get frustrated that we're all forced to listen to a remedial version of the facts because of stupids.