POLL - The WEAKEST LINK of AMERICAN BANDS - (Championship) ROUND 3

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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Metallica
    I love all of these bands BTW. 
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  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    Metallica
    F Me In The Brain said:
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    Hobbes said:
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    @tempo_n_groove
    We need a brief history of grunge, please. 

    wiki has a pretty comprehensive  entry
    Normally, I would go that route. I may still have to, but I like the way tempo explains things. 
    Seek help. :dizzy:
    Wiki vs. World's #1 Asshole

    I know which one I'm gonna consult. 
    Wait a minute - it is Ten Club #1 Asshole, not the World's.  Haha

    As the second spot holder I want to be clear.  :lol:.  

    If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere. ;)
  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    Metallica
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    none of the big 4 are what would classically be classified as grunge. some argue that Nirvana's Bleach could be considered grunge, but nothing after that. Mudhoney. Bikini Kill, Tad, Green River, etc. all those "noiser" bands are grunge. 
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    @tempo_n_groove
    We need a brief history of grunge, please. 

    wiki has a pretty comprehensive  entry
    Normally, I would go that route. I may still have to, but I like the way tempo explains things. 
    @Ho@Hobbes don't bother reading, lol.

    Hugh hit the nail on the head.  A few on Nirvanas B sides were droning and sludgy too and carry overs from the Bleach days.

    Other bands that are considered part of that movement were the Melvins and Malfunkshin.  I would tend to disagree w Bikini Kill though.  They started their own Riot Grrrl movement that took on a life of it's own.

    By the time the big 4 were popular I'm sure some big time music writer somewhere heard the term Grunge and Seattle and placed that term with anything coming out of there except Sir Mixalot w the moniker "Grunge".  Hell it sold clothes on the Paris Runways it was such a movement.

    As far as Soundgarden some songs are sludgy but when you have early songs like Fall on Kevs Mom, that ain't grunge.

    Pearl Jam hated the term as much of the bands did.  Writers needed to package a band's sound.

    If you read Wiki you'll just get confused as they say STP are grunge.  They weren't even from the friggin area...

    Others feel free to add.

    That first sentence made me lmao. 

    Between Hugh's answer and yours, I feel I have a better understanding of what grunge is actually supposed to be. Thank you both for your answers. 

    Screw wiki, these guys know what they're talking about. 
  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    Metallica
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    Very close race. remember only 1 band gets eliminated this round.
    what happens in the event of a tie? sudden death (first vote after "regulation" decides the winner?)
    We will start all over, with all new bands compiled by going through your family's Spotify Unwrapped lists. All of these parents with shared accounts will either be proud or humiliated. :naughty:
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Metallica
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,538
    Soundgarden
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river. 

    side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,886
    Metallica
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river. 

    side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it. 
    Fine, not 'hair metal', just shitty music. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,499
    R.E.M.
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Metallica
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
    Iron Maiden has always been associated as a NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) band. 

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river. 

    side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it. 
    I don’t think Warrant sounds much like Motley Crüe or Ratt.  Warrant is an example of where the sound became almost comical. The scene and sound evolves. To me, PJ is a grunge band. Not sure what else you would call them.  Alternative was a term used for any music that wasn’t hair metal (or popular) in the late 80s. So they are alternative rock band from the sub-genre grunge. 
      
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,886
    Metallica
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
    I actually met and drank with Brian Johnson and he referred to Maiden as "kennel rock". It was not a compliment.  

    I always loved their historical lyrics. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,499
    R.E.M.
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
    Iron Maiden has always been associated as a NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) band. 

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river. 

    side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it. 
    I don’t think Warrant sounds much like Motley Crüe or Ratt.  Warrant is an example of where the sound became almost comical. The scene and sound evolves. To me, PJ is a grunge band. Not sure what else you would call them.  Alternative was a term used for any music that wasn’t hair metal (or popular) in the late 80s. So they are alternative rock band from the sub-genre grunge. 
      
    Yes, Maiden gets lumped in w them at times.  I can pull some compilation cd’s for proof, lol.

    PJ I have always considered a rock band.

    The band themselves hated the term grunge.

    Also Warrant does NOT sound like Motley Crue…There is nothing that sounds like 32 pennies or Down Boys in the Crues discography.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,499
    R.E.M.
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
    I actually met and drank with Brian Johnson and he referred to Maiden as "kennel rock". It was not a compliment.  

    I always loved their historical lyrics. 
    I remember you telling this story.  That is pretty brutal… And untrue.
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Metallica
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
    Iron Maiden has always been associated as a NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) band. 

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river. 

    side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it. 
    I don’t think Warrant sounds much like Motley Crüe or Ratt.  Warrant is an example of where the sound became almost comical. The scene and sound evolves. To me, PJ is a grunge band. Not sure what else you would call them.  Alternative was a term used for any music that wasn’t hair metal (or popular) in the late 80s. So they are alternative rock band from the sub-genre grunge. 
      
    Yes, Maiden gets lumped in w them at times.  I can pull some compilation cd’s for proof, lol.

    PJ I have always considered a rock band.

    The band themselves hated the term grunge.

    Also Warrant does NOT sound like Motley Crue…There is nothing that sounds like 32 pennies or Down Boys in the Crues discography.
    No one I have ever known lumped Maiden in with hair metal. I hung around too English metal fans or metal fans of recent English decent (first generation Canadian) growing up.  

    Of course PJ is a rock band. A sub-genre of rock is alternative and a sub-genre of that is grunge. It doesn’t really matter if back in the 90s the band hated the term, you are labelled. You can’t shake it. 
    I was labelled a DINK for a lot of years (double income no kids). I got labelled this by my grandfather and it stuck. Lol. Can’t say I liked it a whole lot but I learned to live with it and now that he’s gone I sure do miss it. 

    They are consistently called “longest lasting grunge band” which I find coincidentally does AIC quite a bit of disservice. 

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,538
    Soundgarden
    never heard Maiden being called a hair band. that's ridiculous. 

    motley crue is a hair metal. 
    warrant is a hair metal. 
    ratt is a hair metal. 

    being a hair band isn't just about sound; it's also about look and lyrical content. yes, warrant is more "hair pop" than the other ones; like winger, slaughter, etc, but to me they are still all the same genre. 

    skid row was also hair metal with their first record. then slave to the grind came out and they became more just metal. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,886
    Metallica
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order. 
    The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ. 

     Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?  
    Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
    I actually met and drank with Brian Johnson and he referred to Maiden as "kennel rock". It was not a compliment.  

    I always loved their historical lyrics. 
    I remember you telling this story.  That is pretty brutal… And untrue.
    Maiden is much better than AC/DC post 1979.
  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    Metallica
    Are sub-genres really necessary? Let's just do away with those. Keep it simple.
  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    Metallica
    I remember the first time I chose Neo Soul on Spotify. I thought "I should look that up after I'm done listening to find out what the hell this is." I still don't know. 
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Metallica
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    Are sub-genres really necessary? Let's just do away with those. Keep it simple.
    Doesn’t matter if they are necessary or not. You can ignore them but they aren’t going away. 
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Metallica
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    never heard Maiden being called a hair band. that's ridiculous. 

    motley crue is a hair metal. 
    warrant is a hair metal. 
    ratt is a hair metal. 

    being a hair band isn't just about sound; it's also about look and lyrical content. yes, warrant is more "hair pop" than the other ones; like winger, slaughter, etc, but to me they are still all the same genre. 

    skid row was also hair metal with their first record. then slave to the grind came out and they became more just metal. 
    Agreed and grunge bands weren’t just about the sound either. It was about the look, lyrical content.  Particularly, how grunge was the antithesis of the misogynistic musical content of the time.  
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    R.E.M.
    hihobibo said:
    Of these remaining bands, it has to be Petty. There are 2 bands you can put on at a gathering that everyone in attendance will appreciate, no matter their age, race, or favorite style of music. Not saying that these are people's favorites, but that no one will complain about what is playing.

    Those two artists are Tom Petty and John Mellencamp. 
    It has to be a hits collection though. Love a lot of Petty but they don’t really have a stone cold classic all killer no filler album.
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