none of the big 4 are what would classically be classified as grunge. some argue that Nirvana's Bleach could be considered grunge, but nothing after that. Mudhoney. Bikini Kill, Tad, Green River, etc. all those "noiser" bands are grunge.
Hugh hit the nail on the head. A few on Nirvanas B sides were droning and sludgy too and carry overs from the Bleach days.
Other bands that are considered part of that movement were the Melvins and Malfunkshin. I would tend to disagree w Bikini Kill though. They started their own Riot Grrrl movement that took on a life of it's own.
By the time the big 4 were popular I'm sure some big time music writer somewhere heard the term Grunge and Seattle and placed that term with anything coming out of there except Sir Mixalot w the moniker "Grunge". Hell it sold clothes on the Paris Runways it was such a movement.
As far as Soundgarden some songs are sludgy but when you have early songs like Fall on Kevs Mom, that ain't grunge.
Pearl Jam hated the term as much of the bands did. Writers needed to package a band's sound.
If you read Wiki you'll just get confused as they say STP are grunge. They weren't even from the friggin area...
I love all these bands but voting Soundgarden just to make people mad at this point.
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Where did all the women go? PJ_Soul, JPPJ84, Asterisk on the Street, GlowGirl (voting only), West Coast Dreamgirl, who else is missing?
I am here lurking. I am hoping for a face off between REM and Tom Petty. That one will be an interesting one. I was also thinking of who I might have liked to have seen on this list. I agree with the post above, that most of my favorites were on the British list. But if I could have added two to this list I might have added Prince and the Revolution, and The Band.
I could get behind Prince and the Revolution but The Band are Canadian. Levon Helm is from Arkansas but he was in the Hawks (Ronnie Hawkins band) and moved to Toronto in1958 to become a full time member. All the other original members (Danko, Hudson, Manuel, Robertson) are Canadian.
If Mendozk ever conducted a weakest link Canadian bands edition, the Band should be included with, for example, Rush, Tragically Hip, Guess Who, Arcade Fire, Sloan, BTO, Blue Rodeo, Tea Party, etc.
you missed one.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Where did all the women go? PJ_Soul, JPPJ84, Asterisk on the Street, GlowGirl (voting only), West Coast Dreamgirl, who else is missing?
I am here lurking. I am hoping for a face off between REM and Tom Petty. That one will be an interesting one. I was also thinking of who I might have liked to have seen on this list. I agree with the post above, that most of my favorites were on the British list. But if I could have added two to this list I might have added Prince and the Revolution, and The Band.
I could get behind Prince and the Revolution but The Band are Canadian. Levon Helm is from Arkansas but he was in the Hawks (Ronnie Hawkins band) and moved to Toronto in1958 to become a full time member. All the other original members (Danko, Hudson, Manuel, Robertson) are Canadian.
If Mendozk ever conducted a weakest link Canadian bands edition, the Band should be included with, for example, Rush, Tragically Hip, Guess Who, Arcade Fire, Sloan, BTO, Blue Rodeo, Tea Party, etc.
you missed one.
Do you think Neil should be on teh list? Does he have staying power or just a flash in the pan?
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Very close race. remember only 1 band gets eliminated this round.
what happens in the event of a tie? sudden death (first vote after "regulation" decides the winner?)
I think it should go by seniority- oldest band gets the nod.
Oh, and Metallica was formed in 1981, R.E.M. in 1980.
No life til leather. REM gets the axe.
Sadly, the best Metallica songs are covers.. Am I Evil, Breadfan, Crash Course, Stone Cold Crazy...
me and a buddy used to stay up super late every weekend and request Breadfan and SCC to try to tape them, as we couldn't locate the cassette singles they were released on.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Very close race. remember only 1 band gets eliminated this round.
what happens in the event of a tie? sudden death (first vote after "regulation" decides the winner?)
I think it should go by seniority- oldest band gets the nod.
Oh, and Metallica was formed in 1981, R.E.M. in 1980.
No life til leather. REM gets the axe.
Sadly, the best Metallica songs are covers.. Am I Evil, Breadfan, Crash Course, Stone Cold Crazy...
me and a buddy used to stay up super late every weekend and request Breadfan and SCC to try to tape them, as we couldn't locate the cassette singles they were released on.
Record single was easier to locate. We could NOT find it either. Shortest Straw and Eye of The Beholder I think?
none of the big 4 are what would classically be classified as grunge. some argue that Nirvana's Bleach could be considered grunge, but nothing after that. Mudhoney. Bikini Kill, Tad, Green River, etc. all those "noiser" bands are grunge.
Hugh hit the nail on the head. A few on Nirvanas B sides were droning and sludgy too and carry overs from the Bleach days.
Other bands that are considered part of that movement were the Melvins and Malfunkshin. I would tend to disagree w Bikini Kill though. They started their own Riot Grrrl movement that took on a life of it's own.
By the time the big 4 were popular I'm sure some big time music writer somewhere heard the term Grunge and Seattle and placed that term with anything coming out of there except Sir Mixalot w the moniker "Grunge". Hell it sold clothes on the Paris Runways it was such a movement.
As far as Soundgarden some songs are sludgy but when you have early songs like Fall on Kevs Mom, that ain't grunge.
Pearl Jam hated the term as much of the bands did. Writers needed to package a band's sound.
If you read Wiki you'll just get confused as they say STP are grunge. They weren't even from the friggin area...
Others feel free to add.
That first sentence made me lmao.
Between Hugh's answer and yours, I feel I have a better understanding of what grunge is actually supposed to be. Thank you both for your answers.
Screw wiki, these guys know what they're talking about.
Very close race. remember only 1 band gets eliminated this round.
what happens in the event of a tie? sudden death (first vote after "regulation" decides the winner?)
We will start all over, with all new bands compiled by going through your family's Spotify Unwrapped lists. All of these parents with shared accounts will either be proud or humiliated.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river.
side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river.
side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
Iron Maiden has always been associated as a NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) band.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river.
side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it.
I don’t think Warrant sounds much like Motley Crüe or Ratt. Warrant is an example of where the sound became almost comical. The scene and sound evolves. To me, PJ is a grunge band. Not sure what else you would call them. Alternative was a term used for any music that wasn’t hair metal (or popular) in the late 80s. So they are alternative rock band from the sub-genre grunge.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
I actually met and drank with Brian Johnson and he referred to Maiden as "kennel rock". It was not a compliment.
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As the second spot holder I want to be clear.
Hugh hit the nail on the head. A few on Nirvanas B sides were droning and sludgy too and carry overs from the Bleach days.
Other bands that are considered part of that movement were the Melvins and Malfunkshin. I would tend to disagree w Bikini Kill though. They started their own Riot Grrrl movement that took on a life of it's own.
By the time the big 4 were popular I'm sure some big time music writer somewhere heard the term Grunge and Seattle and placed that term with anything coming out of there except Sir Mixalot w the moniker "Grunge". Hell it sold clothes on the Paris Runways it was such a movement.
As far as Soundgarden some songs are sludgy but when you have early songs like Fall on Kevs Mom, that ain't grunge.
Pearl Jam hated the term as much of the bands did. Writers needed to package a band's sound.
If you read Wiki you'll just get confused as they say STP are grunge. They weren't even from the friggin area...
Others feel free to add.
I love all these bands but voting Soundgarden just to make people mad at this point.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
First song I ever heard from them. Instantly loved it. Forgot about it until now... Forgot the real name too it's been so long, lol.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
I like your definition of it though.
-EV 8/14/93
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Perhaps. But regardless of how this comes out, I will remain both shiny and happy.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
excuse me. master of puppets both album and song.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
-EV 8/14/93
Between Hugh's answer and yours, I feel I have a better understanding of what grunge is actually supposed to be. Thank you both for your answers.
Screw wiki, these guys know what they're talking about.
side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it.
-EV 8/14/93
I always loved their historical lyrics.