Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
Iron Maiden has always been associated as a NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) band.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river.
side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it.
I don’t think Warrant sounds much like Motley Crüe or Ratt. Warrant is an example of where the sound became almost comical. The scene and sound evolves. To me, PJ is a grunge band. Not sure what else you would call them. Alternative was a term used for any music that wasn’t hair metal (or popular) in the late 80s. So they are alternative rock band from the sub-genre grunge.
Yes, Maiden gets lumped in w them at times. I can pull some compilation cd’s for proof, lol.
PJ I have always considered a rock band.
The band themselves hated the term grunge.
Also Warrant does NOT sound like Motley Crue…There is nothing that sounds like 32 pennies or Down Boys in the Crues discography.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
I actually met and drank with Brian Johnson and he referred to Maiden as "kennel rock". It was not a compliment.
I always loved their historical lyrics.
I remember you telling this story. That is pretty brutal… And untrue.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
Iron Maiden has always been associated as a NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) band.
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
sure they are, but they also sound a lot closer to motley crue and ratt than pearl jam is to green river.
side note: don't tell Sebastian Bach on twitter that hair metal refers to 80's bands: he believes the term was retroactively, and doesn't refer to Skid Row, Warrant, The Crue, Cinderella, or any of those bands. he goes nuts about it.
I don’t think Warrant sounds much like Motley Crüe or Ratt. Warrant is an example of where the sound became almost comical. The scene and sound evolves. To me, PJ is a grunge band. Not sure what else you would call them. Alternative was a term used for any music that wasn’t hair metal (or popular) in the late 80s. So they are alternative rock band from the sub-genre grunge.
Yes, Maiden gets lumped in w them at times. I can pull some compilation cd’s for proof, lol.
PJ I have always considered a rock band.
The band themselves hated the term grunge.
Also Warrant does NOT sound like Motley Crue…There is nothing that sounds like 32 pennies or Down Boys in the Crues discography.
No one I have ever known lumped Maiden in with hair metal. I hung around too English metal fans or metal fans of recent English decent (first generation Canadian) growing up.
Of course PJ is a rock band. A sub-genre of rock is alternative and a sub-genre of that is grunge. It doesn’t really matter if back in the 90s the band hated the term, you are labelled. You can’t shake it.
I was labelled a DINK for a lot of years (double income no kids). I got labelled this by my grandfather and it stuck. Lol. Can’t say I liked it a whole lot but I learned to live with it and now that he’s gone I sure do miss it.
They are consistently called “longest lasting grunge band” which I find coincidentally does AIC quite a bit of disservice.
never heard Maiden being called a hair band. that's ridiculous.
motley crue is a hair metal. warrant is a hair metal. ratt is a hair metal.
being a hair band isn't just about sound; it's also about look and lyrical content. yes, warrant is more "hair pop" than the other ones; like winger, slaughter, etc, but to me they are still all the same genre.
skid row was also hair metal with their first record. then slave to the grind came out and they became more just metal.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Grunge started with Bam Bam, U-Men, Skin Yard, Green River not necessarily in that order.
The influence of the Wipers cannot be denied. I recently saw an interview where Matt Cameron said he liked the term and he played in two of those aforementioned bands before SG or PJ.
Is Warrant not a hair band because they came after Motley Crüe, Ratt and Quiet Riot?
Iron Maiden gets falsely accused of being a Hairband too but they of course are not.
I actually met and drank with Brian Johnson and he referred to Maiden as "kennel rock". It was not a compliment.
I always loved their historical lyrics.
I remember you telling this story. That is pretty brutal… And untrue.
I remember the first time I chose Neo Soul on Spotify. I thought "I should look that up after I'm done listening to find out what the hell this is." I still don't know.
never heard Maiden being called a hair band. that's ridiculous.
motley crue is a hair metal. warrant is a hair metal. ratt is a hair metal.
being a hair band isn't just about sound; it's also about look and lyrical content. yes, warrant is more "hair pop" than the other ones; like winger, slaughter, etc, but to me they are still all the same genre.
skid row was also hair metal with their first record. then slave to the grind came out and they became more just metal.
Agreed and grunge bands weren’t just about the sound either. It was about the look, lyrical content. Particularly, how grunge was the antithesis of the misogynistic musical content of the time.
Of these remaining bands, it has to be Petty. There are 2 bands you can put on at a gathering that everyone in attendance will appreciate, no matter their age, race, or favorite style of music. Not saying that these are people's favorites, but that no one will complain about what is playing.
Those two artists are Tom Petty and John Mellencamp.
It has to be a hits collection though. Love a lot of Petty but they don’t really have a stone cold classic all killer no filler album.
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
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For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
Yeah I love the heavier as well. First two records kill. The next three were ones that I loved (and still love much of) but much like Pearl Jam, the first five stand far apart from anything that comes after. (Not saying Crue and PJ are alike, just a commonality in how I feel about their first five records, each )
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@MedozK An idea to tuck away if you find interesting.... Best film soundtracks. Have we done anything with that yet?
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
Yeah I love the heavier as well. First two records kill. The next three were ones that I loved (and still love much of) but much like Pearl Jam, the first five stand far apart from anything that comes after. (Not saying Crue and PJ are alike, just a commonality in how I feel about their first five records, each )
I tell you two I loved and had high hopes but they broke up shortly after? Primal Scream and Angela. I was happy, they were back doing some good music and they fucked it all up and broke up...
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I tried but never could get into those. Still have the first five (and especially first two) to make me happy and rock out.
Are sub-genres really necessary? Let's just do away with those. Keep it simple.
Doesn’t matter if they are necessary or not. You can ignore them but they aren’t going away.
Marketing wins. Consumers don't count. Got it
Odd comment. A page back you were happy to have learned the definition of grunge. A difference of opinion comes in on that definition and we now should do away with it because “consumers don’t count”. I would say marketing exists because consumers do count.
Once again, you can choose to ignore what people use to label things, but those labels aren’t going away.
Crue is awesome. I enjoy them more knowing how many hate them. Fuck all y'all. .
I was a Crüe fan! Then I saw the last tour and Vince Neil embarrassing himself by grinding against alme 18 year old dancer on stage and otherwise not being able to sing convinced me they had gotten the last dollar out of my pocket. One of the worst concerts I’ve ever seen, Tommy Lee’s roller coaster drum solo couldn’t even save it.
Are sub-genres really necessary? Let's just do away with those. Keep it simple.
Doesn’t matter if they are necessary or not. You can ignore them but they aren’t going away.
Marketing wins. Consumers don't count. Got it
Odd comment. A page back you were happy to have learned the definition of grunge. A difference of opinion comes in on that definition and we now should do away with it because “consumers don’t count”. I would say marketing exists because consumers do count.
Once again, you can choose to ignore what people use to label things, but those labels aren’t going away.
Yes, I was happy and you immediately challenged that newly learned definition. You also said that you weren't going to make known your reasons for not liking Aerosmith, and then the first post of the next round you immediately went after them. You ruined Aerosmith for me and then went on to say that you don't participate in the cancel culture. I guess we're both capable of making odd comments.
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
I’m only saying I’ve never heard Maiden called a hair metal band, ever. Anyone who knows anything about the timeline of music knows that Maiden pre-dates hair metal. Hair-metal bands were no doubt influenced by Maiden.
Easy to explain about Pumpkins and STP. One had a song on a soundtrack of a movie about Seattle and were relatively unknown until that point. STPs first single singing sure sounded a lot like PJ. They wouldn’t be grunge bands in my book, but they were hard to pigeonhole so they got lumped in, completely to their benefit judging by record sales.
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
I’m only saying I’ve never heard Maiden called a hair metal band, ever. Anyone who knows anything about the timeline of music knows that Maiden pre-dates hair metal. Hair-metal bands were no doubt influenced by Maiden.
Easy to explain about Pumpkins and STP. One had a song on a soundtrack of a movie about Seattle and were relatively unknown until that point. STPs first single singing sure sounded a lot like PJ. They wouldn’t be grunge bands in my book, but they were hard to pigeonhole so they got lumped in, completely to their benefit judging by record sales.
The Maiden thing only comes from people that usually are casual fans. I talk alot about music so i hear it from people.
Bush and Blind Melon can get lumped in there w Grunge too. Being of the same era it happens like you said of being pigeonholed.
Anyone w an ear could tell that that the two bands sounded nothing alike. First song was Sex Type Thing. I often wonder what people hear? I giggled also when Scott Stap was rumored to be Vedders brother because they sounded alike. They too sound nothing alike. You have a baritone voice and they all sound alike? That always drove me nuts. Life of Agony must have been EV's side project...
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
I’m only saying I’ve never heard Maiden called a hair metal band, ever. Anyone who knows anything about the timeline of music knows that Maiden pre-dates hair metal. Hair-metal bands were no doubt influenced by Maiden.
Easy to explain about Pumpkins and STP. One had a song on a soundtrack of a movie about Seattle and were relatively unknown until that point. STPs first single singing sure sounded a lot like PJ. They wouldn’t be grunge bands in my book, but they were hard to pigeonhole so they got lumped in, completely to their benefit judging by record sales.
The Maiden thing only comes from people that usually are casual fans. I talk alot about music so i hear it from people.
Bush and Blind Melon can get lumped in there w Grunge too. Being of the same era it happens like you said of being pigeonholed.
Anyone w an ear could tell that that the two bands sounded nothing alike. First song was Sex Type Thing. I often wonder what people hear? I giggled also when Scott Stap was rumored to be Vedders brother because they sounded alike. They too sound nothing alike. You have a baritone voice and they all sound alike? That always drove me nuts. Life of Agony must have been EV's side project...
Good stuff 1Thought, I appreciate it.
I meant the first hit single from STP, Plush. His vocals were very similar to EV and it was summed up pretty well by David Spade on SNL. I honestly thought it was PJ the first time I heard it.
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
I’m only saying I’ve never heard Maiden called a hair metal band, ever. Anyone who knows anything about the timeline of music knows that Maiden pre-dates hair metal. Hair-metal bands were no doubt influenced by Maiden.
Easy to explain about Pumpkins and STP. One had a song on a soundtrack of a movie about Seattle and were relatively unknown until that point. STPs first single singing sure sounded a lot like PJ. They wouldn’t be grunge bands in my book, but they were hard to pigeonhole so they got lumped in, completely to their benefit judging by record sales.
The Maiden thing only comes from people that usually are casual fans. I talk alot about music so i hear it from people.
Bush and Blind Melon can get lumped in there w Grunge too. Being of the same era it happens like you said of being pigeonholed.
Anyone w an ear could tell that that the two bands sounded nothing alike. First song was Sex Type Thing. I often wonder what people hear? I giggled also when Scott Stap was rumored to be Vedders brother because they sounded alike. They too sound nothing alike. You have a baritone voice and they all sound alike? That always drove me nuts. Life of Agony must have been EV's side project...
Good stuff 1Thought, I appreciate it.
I meant the first hit single from STP, Plush. His vocals were very similar to EV and it was summed up pretty well by David Spade on SNL. I honestly thought it was PJ the first time I heard it.
It is good stuff tng!
Yeah, did not think it was PJ at all, lol. David Spade made his bones killing anything popular at the time. He was the OG troll on SNL. His Hollywood minute was hysterical though as I am sure that is where he might have said that about STP?
For those that don't believe the Iron Maiden Hair metal thing just type it on ebay and see what pops up. There are many confused people. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't a thing people.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
I’m only saying I’ve never heard Maiden called a hair metal band, ever. Anyone who knows anything about the timeline of music knows that Maiden pre-dates hair metal. Hair-metal bands were no doubt influenced by Maiden.
Easy to explain about Pumpkins and STP. One had a song on a soundtrack of a movie about Seattle and were relatively unknown until that point. STPs first single singing sure sounded a lot like PJ. They wouldn’t be grunge bands in my book, but they were hard to pigeonhole so they got lumped in, completely to their benefit judging by record sales.
The Maiden thing only comes from people that usually are casual fans. I talk alot about music so i hear it from people.
Bush and Blind Melon can get lumped in there w Grunge too. Being of the same era it happens like you said of being pigeonholed.
Anyone w an ear could tell that that the two bands sounded nothing alike. First song was Sex Type Thing. I often wonder what people hear? I giggled also when Scott Stap was rumored to be Vedders brother because they sounded alike. They too sound nothing alike. You have a baritone voice and they all sound alike? That always drove me nuts. Life of Agony must have been EV's side project...
Good stuff 1Thought, I appreciate it.
I meant the first hit single from STP, Plush. His vocals were very similar to EV and it was summed up pretty well by David Spade on SNL. I honestly thought it was PJ the first time I heard it.
It is good stuff tng!
Yeah, did not think it was PJ at all, lol. David Spade made his bones killing anything popular at the time. He was the OG troll on SNL. His Hollywood minute was hysterical though as I am sure that is where he might have said that about STP?
there's nothing wrong with liking the crue. calling it hair metal doesn't automatically mean it's hated. I saw Crue 4 or 5 times. Nikki Sixx is a legendary songwriter.
Tempo, I don't doubt you've heard people call Maiden hair metal, I've just never heard that personally. And I used to be a down in the dirt metal head and still hang out with many. How can a band with a mascot like Eddie be called hair metal?
I always found it odd when I would see Blind Melon get lumped in with grunge. I mean, seriously, put them next to Mudhoney and tell me they are in the same universe musically. Blind Melon is neo-hippie music (and I love it). People (and marketing executives) just have this insatiable need to classify everything. which is how we got to PJ and STP and Pumpkins being grunge in the first place. all about marketing.
it's funny about Creed. the first time I saw them live it was at a festival. They had one or two of their first singles out, so they were popular, but still couldn't justify main stage. They were in the afternoon on the side stage; Scott Stapp was in full Seattle garb: flannel, doc martens, holding the mic like Ed and swaying back and forth like he used to do. The radio host the next morning went on a rant and ripped into him as a terrible Eddie impersonator (and this station was the presenter of the festival).
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
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PJ I have always considered a rock band.
The band themselves hated the term grunge.
Also Warrant does NOT sound like Motley Crue…There is nothing that sounds like 32 pennies or Down Boys in the Crues discography.
motley crue is a hair metal.
warrant is a hair metal.
ratt is a hair metal.
being a hair band isn't just about sound; it's also about look and lyrical content. yes, warrant is more "hair pop" than the other ones; like winger, slaughter, etc, but to me they are still all the same genre.
skid row was also hair metal with their first record. then slave to the grind came out and they became more just metal.
-EV 8/14/93
(How is that for a juxtaposition. Ha)
I will have to turn it down, considerably, since I am in office today and I don't want people walking by my office to be frightened.
The later bands from Seattle most definitely got lumped into the "grunge" category. There was a musical movement that happened and bands like Smashing Pumpkins and STP were a part of it, similar in ways but were not friggin grunge...
@F Me I love me some Motley Crue. I tend to like the heavier songs though. Live Wire, Wild Side and Red Hot.
(Not saying Crue and PJ are alike, just a commonality in how I feel about their first five records, each )
An idea to tuck away if you find interesting....
Best film soundtracks.
Have we done anything with that yet?
Still have the first five (and especially first two) to make me happy and rock out.
18 year old dancer on stage and otherwise not being able to sing convinced me they had gotten the last dollar out of my pocket. One of the worst concerts I’ve ever seen, Tommy Lee’s roller coaster drum solo couldn’t even save it.
Bush and Blind Melon can get lumped in there w Grunge too. Being of the same era it happens like you said of being pigeonholed.
Anyone w an ear could tell that that the two bands sounded nothing alike. First song was Sex Type Thing. I often wonder what people hear? I giggled also when Scott Stap was rumored to be Vedders brother because they sounded alike. They too sound nothing alike. You have a baritone voice and they all sound alike? That always drove me nuts. Life of Agony must have been EV's side project...
Good stuff 1Thought, I appreciate it.
Tempo, I don't doubt you've heard people call Maiden hair metal, I've just never heard that personally. And I used to be a down in the dirt metal head and still hang out with many. How can a band with a mascot like Eddie be called hair metal?
I always found it odd when I would see Blind Melon get lumped in with grunge. I mean, seriously, put them next to Mudhoney and tell me they are in the same universe musically. Blind Melon is neo-hippie music (and I love it). People (and marketing executives) just have this insatiable need to classify everything. which is how we got to PJ and STP and Pumpkins being grunge in the first place. all about marketing.
it's funny about Creed. the first time I saw them live it was at a festival. They had one or two of their first singles out, so they were popular, but still couldn't justify main stage. They were in the afternoon on the side stage; Scott Stapp was in full Seattle garb: flannel, doc martens, holding the mic like Ed and swaying back and forth like he used to do. The radio host the next morning went on a rant and ripped into him as a terrible Eddie impersonator (and this station was the presenter of the festival).
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93