#46 President Joe Biden

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...

click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

https://www.legistorm.com/pfd_office/member/Sen_Kyrsten_Sinema/2954.html

That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.

She needs a tan pantsuit.

I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 

she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.

Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

Pro choice
Pro gun control
Pro Obamacare
Pro Fed education standards
Anti-wall
Anti-kick out the immigrants

and more..

She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 

her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.

I call bullshit on that.  

https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...

mrussel1 said:

And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.

My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.

So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

mickeyrat said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.

She needs a tan pantsuit.

I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 

she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.

Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

Pro choice
Pro gun control
Pro Obamacare
Pro Fed education standards
Anti-wall
Anti-kick out the immigrants

and more..

She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 

her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.

I call bullshit on that.  

https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...

mrussel1 said:

And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.

My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.

no. it simply shows incomplete info on that source. it doesnt seem to list any other assets like real estate, stock portfolio, income from the 2 books with her name on the cover, what if anything she gained from her divorce etc

If it smells like a rat and looks like a rat and acts like a rat it is probably a rat.  This goes for Manchin as well.  At least with manchin he has vocalize what his desires are.  Sinemas own state party is looking for someone to primary her in the next election and it seems like her constituents are none too happy.  It is odd that someone that ran for many years as a green, then a progressive has taken the republican minus wedge issues position.  There is surely money behind this.

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.

She needs a tan pantsuit.

I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 

she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.

Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

Pro choice
Pro gun control
Pro Obamacare
Pro Fed education standards
Anti-wall
Anti-kick out the immigrants

and more..

She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 

for starters she can speak to her constituents. here she is apologizing to tim scott, republican, because a constituent is asking her a question.

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1452983027940958211?s=20

she is against climate change legislation, which is probably the biggest issue of our time.

she sucked up to mcconnell just before doing the famous "thumbs down" on the minimum wage hike, which is also a cornerstone of the dem platform.

i've got other examples but will have to come back and provide them due to work.

2 people are holding up all of the progress. manchin has a thread. she is the other one, and she deserves ridicule.

1. I don't think she has an obligation to stop and talk to anyone who wants to talk to her in the airport.  How many times do you think this has happened to her?  How many times would you put up with it, especially when the person's questions are about lobbyists and corporate donors.  Oh yeah, and there's someone on teh other side filming.  Fuck that, I wouldn't talk to her either.  

2. Why do you think she is against climate change legislation? Just becuase someone votes against a particular bill doesn't mean they are climate deniers.  This is too general of  astatement and every thing I've read about her in the past is she is for climate legislation and thinks we should regulate and reduce green house gases.  

I have no opinion of her.  But she's a democrat.. sorry.  If you are pro choice, pro gun control, pro obamacare, you're a D.  Maybe she isn't D enough for everyone, but she's a D.  My questino is what is her end game. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

Time to hold a vote and when they both vote no, strip them of their committee assignments and repurpose federal funding and services via EO. Maybe WV and AZ don’t need any military bases, social security, Medicaid and Medicare offices after all.

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...

click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

https://www.legistorm.com/pfd_office/member/Sen_Kyrsten_Sinema/2954.html

That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

look into the winery and who paid her and how it was cover to bundle a lot of big money donations.

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.

She needs a tan pantsuit.

I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 

she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.

Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

Pro choice
Pro gun control
Pro Obamacare
Pro Fed education standards
Anti-wall
Anti-kick out the immigrants

and more..

She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 

for starters she can speak to her constituents. here she is apologizing to tim scott, republican, because a constituent is asking her a question.

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1452983027940958211?s=20

she is against climate change legislation, which is probably the biggest issue of our time.

she sucked up to mcconnell just before doing the famous "thumbs down" on the minimum wage hike, which is also a cornerstone of the dem platform.

i've got other examples but will have to come back and provide them due to work.

2 people are holding up all of the progress. manchin has a thread. she is the other one, and she deserves ridicule.

1. I don't think she has an obligation to stop and talk to anyone who wants to talk to her in the airport.  How many times do you think this has happened to her?  How many times would you put up with it, especially when the person's questions are about lobbyists and corporate donors.  Oh yeah, and there's someone on teh other side filming.  Fuck that, I wouldn't talk to her either.  

2. Why do you think she is against climate change legislation? Just becuase someone votes against a particular bill doesn't mean they are climate deniers.  This is too general of  astatement and every thing I've read about her in the past is she is for climate legislation and thinks we should regulate and reduce green house gases.  

I have no opinion of her.  But she's a democrat.. sorry.  If you are pro choice, pro gun control, pro obamacare, you're a D.  Maybe she isn't D enough for everyone, but she's a D.  My questino is what is her end game. 

1. is it not a public office she is holding? it is her obligation to talk to the people in her state that she represents. if she will not meet with them in her office, will not have a town hall, and will not stop and talk in a public setting, what is your solution to the issue?

2. i am not saying she is a climate denier. i am flat out accusing her of being paid by the coal and oil lobby to sandbag on or sink any climate legislation. 

i believe her endgame is to cash in while she can because she knows she will be primaried, or worse yet, lose that seat for the democrats. 

here is an interesting summary from govtrack. she is to the right of a few republicans.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509

1. Within reason, talk to your constituents within a town hall, or some other organized setting.  Sorry you don't get to walk next to someone and ask questions while your partner is on the other side recording the situation.  Fuck that, I wouldn't answer any of those questions either.  

2.  You can't "cash in' in while you're a senator.  You can become a lobbyist when you are done, and after a two year "cooling down" period.

I think everyone here is completely unfamiliar with teh corruption laws in this country.  And yes, people break them and they get prosecuted, just like the R congressman who was charged with moving money from the campaign literally last week.  It's a crime.  And it gets prosecuted. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.

She needs a tan pantsuit.

I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 

she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.

Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

Pro choice
Pro gun control
Pro Obamacare
Pro Fed education standards
Anti-wall
Anti-kick out the immigrants

and more..

She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 

for starters she can speak to her constituents. here she is apologizing to tim scott, republican, because a constituent is asking her a question.

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1452983027940958211?s=20

she is against climate change legislation, which is probably the biggest issue of our time.

she sucked up to mcconnell just before doing the famous "thumbs down" on the minimum wage hike, which is also a cornerstone of the dem platform.

i've got other examples but will have to come back and provide them due to work.

2 people are holding up all of the progress. manchin has a thread. she is the other one, and she deserves ridicule.

1. I don't think she has an obligation to stop and talk to anyone who wants to talk to her in the airport.  How many times do you think this has happened to her?  How many times would you put up with it, especially when the person's questions are about lobbyists and corporate donors.  Oh yeah, and there's someone on teh other side filming.  Fuck that, I wouldn't talk to her either.  

2. Why do you think she is against climate change legislation? Just becuase someone votes against a particular bill doesn't mean they are climate deniers.  This is too general of  astatement and every thing I've read about her in the past is she is for climate legislation and thinks we should regulate and reduce green house gases.  

I have no opinion of her.  But she's a democrat.. sorry.  If you are pro choice, pro gun control, pro obamacare, you're a D.  Maybe she isn't D enough for everyone, but she's a D.  My questino is what is her end game. 

1. is it not a public office she is holding? it is her obligation to talk to the people in her state that she represents. if she will not meet with them in her office, will not have a town hall, and will not stop and talk in a public setting, what is your solution to the issue?

2. i am not saying she is a climate denier. i am flat out accusing her of being paid by the coal and oil lobby to sandbag on or sink any climate legislation. 

i believe her endgame is to cash in while she can because she knows she will be primaried, or worse yet, lose that seat for the democrats. 

here is an interesting summary from govtrack. she is to the right of a few republicans.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509

1. Within reason, talk to your constituents within a town hall, or some other organized setting.  Sorry you don't get to walk next to someone and ask questions while your partner is on the other side recording the situation.  Fuck that, I wouldn't answer any of those questions either.  

2.  You can't "cash in' in while you're a senator.  You can become a lobbyist when you are done, and after a two year "cooling down" period.

I think everyone here is completely unfamiliar with teh corruption laws in this country.  And yes, people break them and they get prosecuted, just like the R congressman who was charged with moving money from the campaign literally last week.  It's a crime.  And it gets prosecuted. 

I am, absolutely, unfamiliar, but I think it's naïve to assume that anyone who hasn't been prosecuted is innocent of it. I admittedly am not basing this on anything, just a gut feeling, but I just think it's probably pretty common. 

In this country, you're innocent until proven guilty.  She hasn't been charged or investigated to my knowledge, let alone prosecuted.  And the 'talking point' that her net worth went from 31k to over a million in two years has not been substantiated either.  So no, I can't say for sure she's clean but there is zero evidence that she's not. 

I'm not talking about her specifically. for sure everyone is innocent until proven guilty. just talking about politics in general. 

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.

She needs a tan pantsuit.

I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 

she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.

Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

Pro choice
Pro gun control
Pro Obamacare
Pro Fed education standards
Anti-wall
Anti-kick out the immigrants

and more..

She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 

for starters she can speak to her constituents. here she is apologizing to tim scott, republican, because a constituent is asking her a question.

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1452983027940958211?s=20

she is against climate change legislation, which is probably the biggest issue of our time.

she sucked up to mcconnell just before doing the famous "thumbs down" on the minimum wage hike, which is also a cornerstone of the dem platform.

i've got other examples but will have to come back and provide them due to work.

2 people are holding up all of the progress. manchin has a thread. she is the other one, and she deserves ridicule.

1. I don't think she has an obligation to stop and talk to anyone who wants to talk to her in the airport.  How many times do you think this has happened to her?  How many times would you put up with it, especially when the person's questions are about lobbyists and corporate donors.  Oh yeah, and there's someone on teh other side filming.  Fuck that, I wouldn't talk to her either.  

2. Why do you think she is against climate change legislation? Just becuase someone votes against a particular bill doesn't mean they are climate deniers.  This is too general of  astatement and every thing I've read about her in the past is she is for climate legislation and thinks we should regulate and reduce green house gases.  

I have no opinion of her.  But she's a democrat.. sorry.  If you are pro choice, pro gun control, pro obamacare, you're a D.  Maybe she isn't D enough for everyone, but she's a D.  My questino is what is her end game. 

1. is it not a public office she is holding? it is her obligation to talk to the people in her state that she represents. if she will not meet with them in her office, will not have a town hall, and will not stop and talk in a public setting, what is your solution to the issue?

2. i am not saying she is a climate denier. i am flat out accusing her of being paid by the coal and oil lobby to sandbag on or sink any climate legislation. 

i believe her endgame is to cash in while she can because she knows she will be primaried, or worse yet, lose that seat for the democrats. 

here is an interesting summary from govtrack. she is to the right of a few republicans.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509

1. Within reason, talk to your constituents within a town hall, or some other organized setting.  Sorry you don't get to walk next to someone and ask questions while your partner is on the other side recording the situation.  Fuck that, I wouldn't answer any of those questions either.  

2.  You can't "cash in' in while you're a senator.  You can become a lobbyist when you are done, and after a two year "cooling down" period.

I think everyone here is completely unfamiliar with teh corruption laws in this country.  And yes, people break them and they get prosecuted, just like the R congressman who was charged with moving money from the campaign literally last week.  It's a crime.  And it gets prosecuted. 

I am, absolutely, unfamiliar, but I think it's naïve to assume that anyone who hasn't been prosecuted is innocent of it. I admittedly am not basing this on anything, just a gut feeling, but I just think it's probably pretty common. 

In this country, you're innocent until proven guilty.  She hasn't been charged or investigated to my knowledge, let alone prosecuted.  And the 'talking point' that her net worth went from 31k to over a million in two years has not been substantiated either.  So no, I can't say for sure she's clean but there is zero evidence that she's not. 

I'm not talking about her specifically. for sure everyone is innocent until proven guilty. just talking about politics in general. 

Politics are absolutely dirty,  to a certain extent.  They are entertained,  dined, influenced,  etc. Trump funneling govt business through his hotels is clearly a gap in the laws that is unique to him.  I don't think the proverbial envelope full of cash is very common these days though.  That's not how palms are greased.  That's old school Tammany Hall action there.