The most "ahead of it's time" albums you know of.
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I was in exactly the same boat. It’s pretty incredible when an artist can say almost ALL of their catalogue was ahead of its time. Usually, popular culture catches up. Sun Ra stayed ahead of whatever was going on, which tells you how far ahead of his time the early stuff was.JH6056 said:
Extra big YES's on Sun Ra and Bad Brains!1ThoughtKnown said:My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons (The Five Seasons)
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Almost any Sun-Ra record
Dragonfly - s/t
The Feelies - The Good Earth
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Bad Brains - s/t
King’s X - Out of the Silent Planet
Can - Tago Mago
Dinosaur Jr - Bug
TSOL - Dance With Me
Adolescents - s/t
Black Sabbath - s/t
Rush - Caress of Steel
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
I started to include Sun Ra on my original list, but then wasn't sure which album to list. Right on saying they're all worthy of this distinction!Over 100 full-length albums… it is mind boggling really.0 -
JH6056 said:
Extra big YES's on Sun Ra and Bad Brains!1ThoughtKnown said:My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons (The Five Seasons)
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Almost any Sun-Ra record
Dragonfly - s/t
The Feelies - The Good Earth
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Bad Brains - s/t
King’s X - Out of the Silent Planet
Can - Tago Mago
Dinosaur Jr - Bug
TSOL - Dance With Me
Adolescents - s/t
Black Sabbath - s/t
Rush - Caress of Steel
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
I started to include Sun Ra on my original list, but then wasn't sure which album to list. Right on saying they're all worthy of this distinction!1ThoughtKnown said:
I was in exactly the same boat. It’s pretty incredible when an artist can say almost ALL of their catalogue was ahead of its time. Usually, popular culture catches up. Sun Ra stayed ahead of whatever was going on, which tells you how far ahead of his time the early stuff was.JH6056 said:
Extra big YES's on Sun Ra and Bad Brains!1ThoughtKnown said:My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons (The Five Seasons)
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Almost any Sun-Ra record
Dragonfly - s/t
The Feelies - The Good Earth
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Bad Brains - s/t
King’s X - Out of the Silent Planet
Can - Tago Mago
Dinosaur Jr - Bug
TSOL - Dance With Me
Adolescents - s/t
Black Sabbath - s/t
Rush - Caress of Steel
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
I started to include Sun Ra on my original list, but then wasn't sure which album to list. Right on saying they're all worthy of this distinction!Over 100 full-length albums… it is mind boggling really.Well said, both! Another big thumbs up for Sun Ra! I'm so incredibly lucky to have seen the Arkestra three times over a long period of time. Amazing performances!
He was certainly always ahead of his time and practically outside of time all together!
Same with Arkestra long-time members John Gilmore, Pat Patrick, Ronnie Boykins, and special mention of Allen Marshall who at 97 still carries on the work of the Arkestra. A friend of mine saw them do an outdoor show back east just a few months ago.
All love for Allen Marshall!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It gets even more mind boggling. I would jump at the chance to see them live.brianlux said:JH6056 said:
Extra big YES's on Sun Ra and Bad Brains!1ThoughtKnown said:My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons (The Five Seasons)
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Almost any Sun-Ra record
Dragonfly - s/t
The Feelies - The Good Earth
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Bad Brains - s/t
King’s X - Out of the Silent Planet
Can - Tago Mago
Dinosaur Jr - Bug
TSOL - Dance With Me
Adolescents - s/t
Black Sabbath - s/t
Rush - Caress of Steel
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
I started to include Sun Ra on my original list, but then wasn't sure which album to list. Right on saying they're all worthy of this distinction!1ThoughtKnown said:
I was in exactly the same boat. It’s pretty incredible when an artist can say almost ALL of their catalogue was ahead of its time. Usually, popular culture catches up. Sun Ra stayed ahead of whatever was going on, which tells you how far ahead of his time the early stuff was.JH6056 said:
Extra big YES's on Sun Ra and Bad Brains!1ThoughtKnown said:My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons (The Five Seasons)
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Almost any Sun-Ra record
Dragonfly - s/t
The Feelies - The Good Earth
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Bad Brains - s/t
King’s X - Out of the Silent Planet
Can - Tago Mago
Dinosaur Jr - Bug
TSOL - Dance With Me
Adolescents - s/t
Black Sabbath - s/t
Rush - Caress of Steel
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
I started to include Sun Ra on my original list, but then wasn't sure which album to list. Right on saying they're all worthy of this distinction!Over 100 full-length albums… it is mind boggling really.Well said, both! Another big thumbs up for Sun Ra! I'm so incredibly lucky to have seen the Arkestra three times over a long period of time. Amazing performances!
He was certainly always ahead of his time and practically outside of time all together!
Same with Arkestra long-time members John Gilmore, Pat Patrick, Ronnie Boykins, and special mention of Allen Marshall who at 97 still carries on the work of the Arkestra. A friend of mine saw them do an outdoor show back east just a few months ago.
All love for Allen Marshall!0 -
Brianlux that's just INSANE that you got to see them THREE times!!! Wow!brianlux said:Well said, both! Another big thumbs up for Sun Ra! I'm so incredibly lucky to have seen the Arkestra three times over a long period of time. Amazing performances!
He was certainly always ahead of his time and practically outside of time all together!
Same with Arkestra long-time members John Gilmore, Pat Patrick, Ronnie Boykins, and special mention of Allen Marshall who at 97 still carries on the work of the Arkestra. A friend of mine saw them do an outdoor show back east just a few months ago.
All love for Allen Marshall!
And yes on Allen Marshall, I think the first live show that the guy who does Tiny Desk concerts on NPR saw as lockdown was lifting might have been Allen Marshall! I could have that wrong, but if Bob Boilen is going to break out of lockdown with that show, you KNOW it has to be most special! (But I could have that wrong, he did just post his first live show was Lucy Dacus this past weekend so...)0 -
JH6056 said:
Brianlux that's just INSANE that you got to see them THREE times!!! Wow!brianlux said:Well said, both! Another big thumbs up for Sun Ra! I'm so incredibly lucky to have seen the Arkestra three times over a long period of time. Amazing performances!
He was certainly always ahead of his time and practically outside of time all together!
Same with Arkestra long-time members John Gilmore, Pat Patrick, Ronnie Boykins, and special mention of Allen Marshall who at 97 still carries on the work of the Arkestra. A friend of mine saw them do an outdoor show back east just a few months ago.
All love for Allen Marshall!
And yes on Allen Marshall, I think the first live show that the guy who does Tiny Desk concerts on NPR saw as lockdown was lifting might have been Allen Marshall! I could have that wrong, but if Bob Boilen is going to break out of lockdown with that show, you KNOW it has to be most special! (But I could have that wrong, he did just post his first live show was Lucy Dacus this past weekend so...)
Yes indeed J! I am SO fortunate for those experiences.
The first show took place in the Planetarium in Golden Gate Park in 1970 and it was unworldly! What a great place to see this band and it was at a time when the Arkestra was spending a lot of time in Oakland so the band was very loose yet together. After all these years, I still get goose bumps just thinking about it!The second time I saw them was in 1987 in this great old theater in Oakland and again, they were insanely good. And, OMG, to top it off, Cecil Taylor opened for them. Just a crazy good show!I saw them for the third time in '88 at Slims in San Francisco. That was not as good a show as the others but I think it had a lot to do with the venue. Boz Scaggs' club had become kind of an "in" place to go see shows and it seemed almost as if people went there for themselves to be seen. The Arkestra was never "trendy", so for them to perform in that type of venue was odd and a bit off, but I was very thankful for the opportunity to see them one more time."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:Les Pauls New Sound has to be considered too.
Whoa! I have a few Les Paul & Mary Fords records but not this one. I just read up on it and wondered, "How have I not know about this one?" Gotta look for it.
Well done, bud!
TY both. I love the history of music and have thought many times when did the music change? What was the catalyst for that change? What sound did you hear from them that brought it out.JH6056 said:I was just thinking "Wow, tempo_n_groove is giving brianlux a run for his massive music-encyclopedia-mind-of-knowledge!" You're both crazy knowledgeable about such a range of artists!
Also Brian I agree with you on how much music is out there. i am more impressed when I name off bands and someone else has actually heard of them! There is just wayyyyyy too much music out there Finding something new and groundbreaking now is just difficult. Billie Eilish and her brother are killing it making records but Sylvan Esso is basically the same thing and you could say that electronic music and a singer duo goes back to the Eurythmics but it's not the start of electronic...
Music is fun and a passion. Please keep these coming.
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Do Kiss and Alice Cooper get a mention for shock rock? They pretty much opened the doors on theatrics.0
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tempo_n_groove said:brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:Les Pauls New Sound has to be considered too.
Whoa! I have a few Les Paul & Mary Fords records but not this one. I just read up on it and wondered, "How have I not know about this one?" Gotta look for it.
Well done, bud!
TY both. I love the history of music and have thought many times when did the music change? What was the catalyst for that change? What sound did you hear from them that brought it out.JH6056 said:I was just thinking "Wow, tempo_n_groove is giving brianlux a run for his massive music-encyclopedia-mind-of-knowledge!" You're both crazy knowledgeable about such a range of artists!
Also Brian I agree with you on how much music is out there. i am more impressed when I name off bands and someone else has actually heard of them! There is just wayyyyyy too much music out there Finding something new and groundbreaking now is just difficult. Billie Eilish and her brother are killing it making records but Sylvan Esso is basically the same thing and you could say that electronic music and a singer duo goes back to the Eurythmics but it's not the start of electronic...
Music is fun and a passion. Please keep these coming.
Good point! On the one hand, I love it that there is an almost endless amount of music out there, yet it can be a bit overwhelming at times. One of the things I LOVE about the internet is being able to sample music. Back in the stone age (or was it "stoned age"? I can't remember), we had to seek out new music by the luck of being turned on to it through someone else's record collection, or through "underground" stations that played more obscure stuff late into the night. Now days we can do a quick search, give a little listen, and give it a pass or give it some more play time. Cool!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Here is an odd one. DJ Screw. He was a main upstart of the "third coast" rap movement called Chopped and Screwed. If you heard Mike Jones, Paul Wall and Slim Thug and the slowed down hooks then that is DJ Screws influence.
To me he was the last innovator with the turntables.
DJ Screw was different. And good!0 -
I am still asking this question.tempo_n_groove said:Do Kiss and Alice Cooper get a mention for shock rock? They pretty much opened the doors on theatrics.0 -
I dunno... I think of bands like Genesis with Peter Gabriel, and Labelle, and probably several others I'm blanking on who formed earlier than Kiss & Cooper; bands who were very theatrical in what they did, and I just think Kiss and Alice Cooper took it to another level of visibility, but I'm not sure they were "ahead of their time" overall?tempo_n_groove said:
I am still asking this question.tempo_n_groove said:Do Kiss and Alice Cooper get a mention for shock rock? They pretty much opened the doors on theatrics.
I wouldn't argue strongly against it if they were included in this category, but I'm not really feelin' it myself. And I love both bands!0 -
Performance and theatrics I would consider different as Genesis and Kiss both played music and performed but Kiss was a Carnival if you will.JH6056 said:
I dunno... I think of bands like Genesis with Peter Gabriel, and Labelle, and probably several others I'm blanking on who formed earlier than Kiss & Cooper; bands who were very theatrical in what they did, and I just think Kiss and Alice Cooper took it to another level of visibility, but I'm not sure they were "ahead of their time" overall?tempo_n_groove said:
I am still asking this question.tempo_n_groove said:Do Kiss and Alice Cooper get a mention for shock rock? They pretty much opened the doors on theatrics.
I wouldn't argue strongly against it if they were included in this category, but I'm not really feelin' it myself. And I love both bands!0 -
When I think of theatrics I go with Bowie.0
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Didn't he start all that Ziggy Stardust stuff after Iggy Pop though whom I believe was after Kiss and Cooper too?GlowGirl said:When I think of theatrics I go with Bowie.0 -
This needs to be a weekend course. With props. I'd sign up.0
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I don't know when Iggy Pop started, but Hunky Dory was '71 and Ziggy Stardust '72. Kiss formed in '73 and I don't know how long it was before they were recognized for their antics.tempo_n_groove said:
Didn't he start all that Ziggy Stardust stuff after Iggy Pop though whom I believe was after Kiss and Cooper too?GlowGirl said:When I think of theatrics I go with Bowie.
I will admit that Wikipedia says they "are considered to be one of the most influential bands of all time", but I also think Gene Simmons probably wrote their Wike page.
Thanks though GlowGirl, I knew I was missing someone I think of as wildly influential & pre-Kiss when I posted my Genesis/Labelle point!0 -
We might have to add the New York Dolls to the list of influential theatrical bands. They formed in 1971.
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GlowGirl said:We might have to add the New York Dolls to the list of influential theatrical bands. They formed in 1971.Excellent choice!
Whenever I was the extras in the DVD of the film "All Dolled Up", I'm blown away by how far ahead of the curves these guys were. For example, David Johansen in "Vietnamese Baby"... wow! Wish I could find a link, but it's fantastic!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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