The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).
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static111 said:
Lol we do all those things in my home. half of our freezer is usually full of compostables that most people would throw in the trash. Since we don't have composting we have to make a 45 minute drive to a composting facility, or drive across town to friends that live in districts that have composting and dump it in their bins. We bike and walk as much as we can focus on buying ethical as much as possible, haven't used Amazon or other major instant gratification polluters in years, buy localshop at farmers markets. The fact of the matter is that it does diddley squat to help with our global problem. Unless a whole lot of people start putting pressure on industry etc, we might as well get ready for desert planet waterworld or whatever.brianlux said:static111 said:
I agree. So much rules for thee and not for me going around these days. It's stupid to even evaluate individual contributions, when the powers of industry could make large sweeping changes for the better, but dont. Only sell compostable materials for packaging, no more shitty little plastic trinkets, more durable goods etc. Invest in rails make them accessible to all and tax the hell out of fuel the way they do ammo, increase airline fuel efficiency, equip sensors to know when to lower or raise altitude to decrease contrails. Regional farming, regional supply chains etc.Meltdown99 said:Tell me why should I do more than I already do? We have a climate activist prime minister who uses the government jet like it is his personal Uber…i think the hypocrisy from assholes like him who will never practice what they preach…
if there is such a climate emergency then these so called leaders need to sacrifice…and how come they don’t, but im expected to…hmmm.
This very band is supposedly an environmental band…and people fly all over the globe to see them? Not that they can stop it…but do they discourage people from trekking all over the globe to see them?
As far as I’m concerned you and I and a few other could live like 1850 but the truth is people for the most part are not giving up there lifestyle for the planet and that includes environmentalist…
we have another environmentalist David Suzuki who talks a good game but is quite hypocritical.I don't know why you guys are focusing on what big name hypocrites are doing that is "wrong" for the climate. You can't change them, only yourself.
And big industry, yeah, that's a problem. But you actually can influence them, however, by making choices about what and how much you purchase and consume. But that takes a little time and research, as well as practicing delayed gratification and restraint.And if none of that works for you, that's your choice too. But then why bother to think about or talk about global warming if you don't think you can make a difference on an individual level? I'm not telling you not to, I just don't understand why you would bother.
Speaking for me personally, I focus on what the hypocrites are doing, because they are the ones with the largest carbon footprints and the ability and voices to change things, but all we usually get is some lip service and feel good photo ops.Those things you are doing are great- kudos! Personally, I do think they help, even if just a tiny bit and, besides, it's never a bad idea to do the right things.As for hypocrites, I get your frustration. But there are major voices out there who are not hypocritical when it comes to environment. I can name several you might want to check out:Wendell BerryDoug PeacockGreta ThunbergCaptain Paul WatsonRichard ManningBill McKibbenTerry Tempest WilliamsEdward O. WilsonThose are just the names off the top of my head. There are others as well!Don't give up hope. At least in terms of this definition:"Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well. Hope is doing what makes sense no matter how things turn out.""It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I feel like all of this stuff equates to maybe taking a Dixie cup and trying to put out your California wildfires…that is where I get discouraged.brianlux said:static111 said:
Lol we do all those things in my home. half of our freezer is usually full of compostables that most people would throw in the trash. Since we don't have composting we have to make a 45 minute drive to a composting facility, or drive across town to friends that live in districts that have composting and dump it in their bins. We bike and walk as much as we can focus on buying ethical as much as possible, haven't used Amazon or other major instant gratification polluters in years, buy localshop at farmers markets. The fact of the matter is that it does diddley squat to help with our global problem. Unless a whole lot of people start putting pressure on industry etc, we might as well get ready for desert planet waterworld or whatever.brianlux said:static111 said:
I agree. So much rules for thee and not for me going around these days. It's stupid to even evaluate individual contributions, when the powers of industry could make large sweeping changes for the better, but dont. Only sell compostable materials for packaging, no more shitty little plastic trinkets, more durable goods etc. Invest in rails make them accessible to all and tax the hell out of fuel the way they do ammo, increase airline fuel efficiency, equip sensors to know when to lower or raise altitude to decrease contrails. Regional farming, regional supply chains etc.Meltdown99 said:Tell me why should I do more than I already do? We have a climate activist prime minister who uses the government jet like it is his personal Uber…i think the hypocrisy from assholes like him who will never practice what they preach…
if there is such a climate emergency then these so called leaders need to sacrifice…and how come they don’t, but im expected to…hmmm.
This very band is supposedly an environmental band…and people fly all over the globe to see them? Not that they can stop it…but do they discourage people from trekking all over the globe to see them?
As far as I’m concerned you and I and a few other could live like 1850 but the truth is people for the most part are not giving up there lifestyle for the planet and that includes environmentalist…
we have another environmentalist David Suzuki who talks a good game but is quite hypocritical.I don't know why you guys are focusing on what big name hypocrites are doing that is "wrong" for the climate. You can't change them, only yourself.
And big industry, yeah, that's a problem. But you actually can influence them, however, by making choices about what and how much you purchase and consume. But that takes a little time and research, as well as practicing delayed gratification and restraint.And if none of that works for you, that's your choice too. But then why bother to think about or talk about global warming if you don't think you can make a difference on an individual level? I'm not telling you not to, I just don't understand why you would bother.
Speaking for me personally, I focus on what the hypocrites are doing, because they are the ones with the largest carbon footprints and the ability and voices to change things, but all we usually get is some lip service and feel good photo ops.Those things you are doing are great- kudos! Personally, I do think they help, even if just a tiny bit and, besides, it's never a bad idea to do the right things.As for hypocrites, I get your frustration. But there are major voices out there who are not hypocritical when it comes to environment. I can name several you might want to check out:Wendell BerryDoug PeacockGreta ThunbergCaptain Paul WatsonRichard ManningBill McKibbenTerry Tempest WilliamsEdward O. WilsonThose are just the names off the top of my head. There are others as well!Don't give up hope. At least in terms of this definition:"Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well. Hope is doing what makes sense no matter how things turn out."Scio me nihil scire
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static111 said:
I feel like all of this stuff equates to maybe taking a Dixie cup and trying to put out your California wildfires…that is where I get discouraged.brianlux said:static111 said:
Lol we do all those things in my home. half of our freezer is usually full of compostables that most people would throw in the trash. Since we don't have composting we have to make a 45 minute drive to a composting facility, or drive across town to friends that live in districts that have composting and dump it in their bins. We bike and walk as much as we can focus on buying ethical as much as possible, haven't used Amazon or other major instant gratification polluters in years, buy localshop at farmers markets. The fact of the matter is that it does diddley squat to help with our global problem. Unless a whole lot of people start putting pressure on industry etc, we might as well get ready for desert planet waterworld or whatever.brianlux said:static111 said:
I agree. So much rules for thee and not for me going around these days. It's stupid to even evaluate individual contributions, when the powers of industry could make large sweeping changes for the better, but dont. Only sell compostable materials for packaging, no more shitty little plastic trinkets, more durable goods etc. Invest in rails make them accessible to all and tax the hell out of fuel the way they do ammo, increase airline fuel efficiency, equip sensors to know when to lower or raise altitude to decrease contrails. Regional farming, regional supply chains etc.Meltdown99 said:Tell me why should I do more than I already do? We have a climate activist prime minister who uses the government jet like it is his personal Uber…i think the hypocrisy from assholes like him who will never practice what they preach…
if there is such a climate emergency then these so called leaders need to sacrifice…and how come they don’t, but im expected to…hmmm.
This very band is supposedly an environmental band…and people fly all over the globe to see them? Not that they can stop it…but do they discourage people from trekking all over the globe to see them?
As far as I’m concerned you and I and a few other could live like 1850 but the truth is people for the most part are not giving up there lifestyle for the planet and that includes environmentalist…
we have another environmentalist David Suzuki who talks a good game but is quite hypocritical.I don't know why you guys are focusing on what big name hypocrites are doing that is "wrong" for the climate. You can't change them, only yourself.
And big industry, yeah, that's a problem. But you actually can influence them, however, by making choices about what and how much you purchase and consume. But that takes a little time and research, as well as practicing delayed gratification and restraint.And if none of that works for you, that's your choice too. But then why bother to think about or talk about global warming if you don't think you can make a difference on an individual level? I'm not telling you not to, I just don't understand why you would bother.
Speaking for me personally, I focus on what the hypocrites are doing, because they are the ones with the largest carbon footprints and the ability and voices to change things, but all we usually get is some lip service and feel good photo ops.Those things you are doing are great- kudos! Personally, I do think they help, even if just a tiny bit and, besides, it's never a bad idea to do the right things.As for hypocrites, I get your frustration. But there are major voices out there who are not hypocritical when it comes to environment. I can name several you might want to check out:Wendell BerryDoug PeacockGreta ThunbergCaptain Paul WatsonRichard ManningBill McKibbenTerry Tempest WilliamsEdward O. WilsonThose are just the names off the top of my head. There are others as well!Don't give up hope. At least in terms of this definition:"Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well. Hope is doing what makes sense no matter how things turn out."I can see and appreciate that. On the other hand, 7,750,000,000* Dixie cups of water would put out a LOT of fires!*Approximate world population today is 7.753 billion people."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Disposable face masks lead to more microplastics in waterways: Canadian study
Yeah! Sure climate change is reversible…nothing will ever change until humans realize THEY ARE the problem…100%. Can’t even dispose of their disgusting face-mask properly…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Adios,
The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
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Brian, if you can swing it...just thank people for whatever contribution they make to this thread, positive or negative, and continue to spread your own message. We need your view on this subject. And thank you for that list of environmentalists who still give you hope!
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We have 2 doomsday preppers in the group. For the most part we are doing our part and helping out.brianlux said:Adios,The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
Something I was wondering. With all the housing problems. High-rises have to be mass polluters, no?
I envision govt making companies build things more sustainable and recyclable. I also envision 6 recycle bins.
Metal, plastic, glass, paper, food, landfill. That last one would be changed over time to one of the other 5...0 -
OffSheGoes35 said:Brian, if you can swing it...just thank people for whatever contribution they make to this thread, positive or negative, and continue to spread your own message. We need your view on this subject. And thank you for that list of environmentalists who still give you hope!tempo_n_groove said:
We have 2 doomsday preppers in the group. For the most part we are doing our part and helping out.brianlux said:Adios,The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
Something I was wondering. With all the housing problems. High-rises have to be mass polluters, no?
I envision govt making companies build things more sustainable and recyclable. I also envision 6 recycle bins.
Metal, plastic, glass, paper, food, landfill. That last one would be changed over time to one of the other 5...OK! We're back on track.It only makes sense to keep trying.Thanks for keeping it good!Hugs, high fives, and if you must, kiss, kiss, haha!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:OffSheGoes35 said:Brian, if you can swing it...just thank people for whatever contribution they make to this thread, positive or negative, and continue to spread your own message. We need your view on this subject. And thank you for that list of environmentalists who still give you hope!tempo_n_groove said:
We have 2 doomsday preppers in the group. For the most part we are doing our part and helping out.brianlux said:Adios,The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
Something I was wondering. With all the housing problems. High-rises have to be mass polluters, no?
I envision govt making companies build things more sustainable and recyclable. I also envision 6 recycle bins.
Metal, plastic, glass, paper, food, landfill. That last one would be changed over time to one of the other 5...OK! We're back on track.It only makes sense to keep trying.Thanks for keeping it good!Hugs, high fives, and if you must, kiss, kiss, haha!
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I am what I am, i'm a man, I'm a man and so is Briaaaan Lux, LL U X, Luuuuux. (Sang in the key of Lola)brianlux said:OffSheGoes35 said:Brian, if you can swing it...just thank people for whatever contribution they make to this thread, positive or negative, and continue to spread your own message. We need your view on this subject. And thank you for that list of environmentalists who still give you hope!tempo_n_groove said:
We have 2 doomsday preppers in the group. For the most part we are doing our part and helping out.brianlux said:Adios,The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
Something I was wondering. With all the housing problems. High-rises have to be mass polluters, no?
I envision govt making companies build things more sustainable and recyclable. I also envision 6 recycle bins.
Metal, plastic, glass, paper, food, landfill. That last one would be changed over time to one of the other 5...OK! We're back on track.It only makes sense to keep trying.Thanks for keeping it good!Hugs, high fives, and if you must, kiss, kiss, haha!
But I'll take that kiss, what the hell.0 -
OffSheGoes35 said:brianlux said:OffSheGoes35 said:Brian, if you can swing it...just thank people for whatever contribution they make to this thread, positive or negative, and continue to spread your own message. We need your view on this subject. And thank you for that list of environmentalists who still give you hope!tempo_n_groove said:
We have 2 doomsday preppers in the group. For the most part we are doing our part and helping out.brianlux said:Adios,The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
Something I was wondering. With all the housing problems. High-rises have to be mass polluters, no?
I envision govt making companies build things more sustainable and recyclable. I also envision 6 recycle bins.
Metal, plastic, glass, paper, food, landfill. That last one would be changed over time to one of the other 5...OK! We're back on track.It only makes sense to keep trying.Thanks for keeping it good!Hugs, high fives, and if you must, kiss, kiss, haha! 
tempo_n_groove said:
I am what I am, i'm a man, I'm a man and so is Briaaaan Lux, LL U X, Luuuuux. (Sang in the key of Lola)brianlux said:OffSheGoes35 said:Brian, if you can swing it...just thank people for whatever contribution they make to this thread, positive or negative, and continue to spread your own message. We need your view on this subject. And thank you for that list of environmentalists who still give you hope!tempo_n_groove said:
We have 2 doomsday preppers in the group. For the most part we are doing our part and helping out.brianlux said:Adios,The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread.
I'm done here. Too depressing. Too negative. Too hopeless.Fuck it.
Something I was wondering. With all the housing problems. High-rises have to be mass polluters, no?
I envision govt making companies build things more sustainable and recyclable. I also envision 6 recycle bins.
Metal, plastic, glass, paper, food, landfill. That last one would be changed over time to one of the other 5...OK! We're back on track.It only makes sense to keep trying.Thanks for keeping it good!Hugs, high fives, and if you must, kiss, kiss, haha!
But I'll take that kiss, what the hell.
Mmmmmmmmmwaaahh!
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Awwwright! Kids know!
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https://torontosun.com/news/world/u-n-panel-says-it-cant-rule-on-climate-case-brought-by-greta-thunberg?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1633960546
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Meltdown99 said:https://torontosun.com/news/world/u-n-panel-says-it-cant-rule-on-climate-case-brought-by-greta-thunberg?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1633960546
U.N. panel says it can't rule on climate case brought by Greta Thunberg
Sounds like "passing the buck".
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California to ban gas-powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chainsaws, generators
https://nationalpost.com/news/california-to-ban-gas-powered-lawnmowers-leafblowers-chainsaws-generators?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1634148329-1
This is a great idea…
I have a rechargeable lawn mower, weed whacker and leaf blower, next year it will be a cordless chainsaw, holy shit are they nice. I like the worx brand…the batteries are all interchangeable. I hate gas mowers…noisy and fucking stinky.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
California to ban gas-powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chainsaws, generators
https://nationalpost.com/news/california-to-ban-gas-powered-lawnmowers-leafblowers-chainsaws-generators?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1634148329-1
This is a great idea…
I have a rechargeable lawn mower, weed whacker and leaf blower, next year it will be a cordless chainsaw, holy shit are they nice. I like the worx brand…the batteries are all interchangeable. I hate gas mowers…noisy and fucking stinky.
Fantastic! I really would love to say goodby to "noisy and fucking stinky" gas powered shit like that!
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It's a great idea, and it's something which should be done to all gas vehicles, after sufficient investment in e-infrastructure.Meltdown99 said:California to ban gas-powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chainsaws, generators
https://nationalpost.com/news/california-to-ban-gas-powered-lawnmowers-leafblowers-chainsaws-generators?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1634148329-1
This is a great idea…
I have a rechargeable lawn mower, weed whacker and leaf blower, next year it will be a cordless chainsaw, holy shit are they nice. I like the worx brand…the batteries are all interchangeable. I hate gas mowers…noisy and fucking stinky.
Ironically, the companies with the best existing infrastructure to modify for recharging electric vehicles, are the oil companies. And the companies with the best existing infrastructure to modify to manufacturing electric vehicles, are the auto companies. Brave moves like Ford's will catalyze the demand for recharging stations, which hopefully proliferate quickly so the auto industry can jump on the Ford bandwagon. Seems to me in the case of climate change, business-led progress is a carrot, while government-led progress is a stick.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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That will be the key. In bigger cities there are already some charging stations, but once you get out in the rural areas, it is non existent. The closest city to my house that has public charging ports in 16 miles away, and they only have a couple of ports. The next closest town that has them is 40 miles away, and they only have a couple as well.benjs said:
It's a great idea, and it's something which should be done to all gas vehicles, after sufficient investment in e-infrastructure.Meltdown99 said:California to ban gas-powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chainsaws, generators
https://nationalpost.com/news/california-to-ban-gas-powered-lawnmowers-leafblowers-chainsaws-generators?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1634148329-1
This is a great idea…
I have a rechargeable lawn mower, weed whacker and leaf blower, next year it will be a cordless chainsaw, holy shit are they nice. I like the worx brand…the batteries are all interchangeable. I hate gas mowers…noisy and fucking stinky.
Ironically, the companies with the best existing infrastructure to modify for recharging electric vehicles, are the oil companies. And the companies with the best existing infrastructure to modify to manufacturing electric vehicles, are the auto companies. Brave moves like Ford's will catalyze the demand for recharging stations, which hopefully proliferate quickly so the auto industry can jump on the Ford bandwagon. Seems to me in the case of climate change, business-led progress is a carrot, while government-led progress is a stick.Post edited by JeBurkhardt on0
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