Critical Race Theory

Hobbes said:

mcgruff10 said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

mcgruff10 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.

How does one whitewash reconstruction?

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

mcgruff10 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.

How does one whitewash reconstruction?

Was Black Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. Du Bois part of your assigned curriculum? Mine neither.

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mcgruff10 said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.

I think states like Texas are aiming to get rid of even the whitewashed version though. Fox and their ilk are making people believe the things Gruff is teaching is actually part of CRT when it's not...

That's a nice angle to take on it by repubs.

I'm not sure what power that gives them though?  It really is beyond me how erasing a part of history makes you more powerful.  I understand in war the winner gets to write history but not seeing how removing it does.  Is it trying to show that we had a more sunshine and rainbows coming of age as a country and that the Great Depression and the war against the Britts was our claim to fame?

Last spring, 155 years after the fall of Richmond, the Confederate capital surrendered again. In April 1865, the capitulation was swift and almost outlandishly theatrical: after learning that Robert E. Lee’s army had withdrawn from nearby Petersburg, the Confederate president, Jefferson Davis, and his military guard escaped south under cover of darkness, setting half the city on fire as they fled. Early the next morning, the first Union troops arrived. As Richmond’s black residents celebrated in the streets—joined by more than a few poor whites—the black soldiers at the head of the Union column worked to put out the flames. The embers of a regime dedicated to preserving African slavery were extinguished by hundreds of former slaves. The occupying forces then marched to Davis’s executive mansion and commandeered it as their headquarters.

The second fall of Richmond was hardly kinder to the Confederate president. In June of last year, Davis’s eight-foot bronze likeness, which had presided over the city’s Monument Avenue for more than a century, was torn from its pedestal and dumped into the street—his face nullified with black paint, his overcoat spiked with pink and yellow, and his outstretched hand now reaching upward as if making a forlorn appeal to the heavens. In the weeks that followed, Stonewall Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, and Matthew Maury, Davis’s bronze company on Monument Avenue—the so-called Champs-Élysées of the South—were likewise eliminated from view, but they at least enjoyed the honor of an official state removal. Davis, their chief, received no such courtesy: protesters tied ropes around his legs and dragged him to the ground with what news reports described as “a tiny sedan.”

The conquest of Monument Avenue represented a key front in the renewed struggle for racial justice: the demand for a dramatic rethinking of U.S. history and its place in public life. Strikingly, the most powerful energy behind this fight comes not only from scholars but from activists, journalists, and other thinkers who have made history a new kind of political priority. Although American historical amnesia is the laziest of tropes—“We learn nothing,” said Gore Vidal, “because we remember nothing”—liberals today are more committed than ever to a passionate remembrance of things past. In recent years, a distinct pattern has emerged. Acts of horror—the killings of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown; the Charleston church massacre; the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; the murder of George Floyd; the storming of the U.S. Capitol—are met not only with calls for justice but with demands for a more searching examination of history. Reading lists and syllabi are distributed; institutional commissions are tasked with extensive historical inquiries; professional historians appear regularly in op-ed pages, on television, and in social-media feeds.

Every modern political movement makes some contact with history. Even in the United States, with our notoriously weak memory, progressive reformers have always invoked earlier struggles. Eugene Debs boasted that the Socialists of 1908 “are today where the abolitionists were in 1858”; Martin Luther King Jr. never tired of talking about the Declaration of Independence, a beacon of democratic equality whose light exposed how little of it the United States had so far attained. Yet the role of history today, especially within liberal discourse, has changed. Rather than mine the past for usable politics—whether as analogue, inspiration, or warning—thinkers now travel in the opposite direction, from present injustice to historical crime. Current American inequalities, many liberals insist, must be addressed through encounters with the past. Programs of reform or redistribution, no matter how ambitious, can hope to succeed only after the country undergoes a profound “reckoning”—to use the key word of the day—with centuries of racial oppression.

Article continues Matthew Karp

 is an associate professor of history at Princeton University.

[Essay] History As End, By Matthew Karp | Harper's Magazine (harpers.org)

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

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mcgruff10 said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.

How does one whitewash reconstruction?

Was Black Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. Du Bois part of your assigned curriculum? Mine neither.

So we are cherry picking exact books that weren't taught now?  C'mon.  If it was taught right it doesn't matter a source that was left out.

It was an example. And our education was not taught right no matter how strongly you believe it was.

I'm sorry that your education wasn't like mine and you are apparently angry about it.  My apologies...

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mcgruff10 said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.

How does one whitewash reconstruction?

Was Black Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. Du Bois part of your assigned curriculum? Mine neither.

So we are cherry picking exact books that weren't taught now?  C'mon.  If it was taught right it doesn't matter a source that was left out.

It was an example. And our education was not taught right no matter how strongly you believe it was.

I'm sorry that your education wasn't like mine and you are apparently angry about it.  My apologies...

You were taught CRT in school? Well versed with Du Bois, Fredrick Douglas, Sojourner Truth, and Antonio Gramsci? Derrick Bell and Kimberle Crenshaw? And I'm not angry in the way you may think. I am suggesting you/me/we be more critical of our education. You have claimed luck in receiving a more historically accurate education. I claim that even your education was whitewashed. As was mine. To purport otherwise is ignorant.

I'm ignorant then.  Thanks.  No point in arguing...