Critical Race Theory

F Me In The Brain

We should be preserving monuments to people who seceded and then fought against our country?   

Not sure I can understand that.   

mickeyrat

F Me In The Brain said:

We should be preserving monuments to people who seceded and then fought against our country?   

Not sure I can understand that.   

preserved with historically accurate narrative in musuems etc explaining also the white supremacy behind these monuments....

oftenreading

Some monuments, maybe, with fulsome information, but certainly not all of them. There are scads of these monuments around and the majority of them don't have historical or artistic value, and there's no point in cluttering up museums just to appease those who object to their removal. 

F Me In The Brain

OK, I can see maintaining to point at the failed attempt to separate our country so that slaves could continue to line the pockets of the rich. 

(Also, don't forget the 1800s equivalents of FreeDumb....sure there are other items beyond Slavery that those folks didn't want others governing.)

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

We should be preserving monuments to people who seceded and then fought against our country?   

Not sure I can understand that.   

preserved with historically accurate narrative in musuems etc explaining also the white supremacy behind these monuments....

Exactly this.

I have no problem with a plaque explaining how a statue came to be where it is.  I think that holds more weight than putting it in a museum.

I'd be interested to know how a confederate statue came to be in town square 150 years AFTER the war.  Whom commissioned it, why it was perceived to be a good idea to place it there, etc.

oftenreading said:

Some monuments, maybe, with fulsome information, but certainly not all of them. There are scads of these monuments around and the majority of them don't have historical or artistic value, and there's no point in cluttering up museums just to appease those who object to their removal. 

I wonder how they even got to be there in the first place?

Understanding how and why I think does a great service.  It amazes me that this ever happened in the first place.

Parksy

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

tempo_n_groove

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

Well thought out.  You are right about a divide too, more so than ever.

People that didn't have a voice now have one and probably shouldn't but they do and that is a problem.  Freedom of speech is a powerful tool.

F Me In The Brain

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

I also had the great misfortune to attend Catholic School, for a number of years.

While CRT is an American term and approach I would think that, globally, we would do well as a people to teach truth to our children.  This avoidance/masking is not a distinctly American problem.

Writing as an American, I do believe that teaching our children what is real is the only potential way we have to get clear of the idiocracy.   A friend shared something with me yesterday that his town actually distributed to their citizens which was totally ignorant of the true history of this country.  He felt it was done with malice -- I assumed it was done through ignorance.  Either way, we should not be perpetuating the bullshit that we are, here, in the USA, in 2021. 

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

I also had the great misfortune to attend Catholic School, for a number of years.

While CRT is an American term and approach I would think that, globally, we would do well as a people to teach truth to our children.  This avoidance/masking is not a distinctly American problem.

Writing as an American, I do believe that teaching our children what is real is the only potential way we have to get clear of the idiocracy.   A friend shared something with me yesterday that his town actually distributed to their citizens which was totally ignorant of the true history of this country.  He felt it was done with malice -- I assumed it was done through ignorance.  Either way, we should not be perpetuating the bullshit that we are, here, in the USA, in 2021. 

I must have been lucky in that I had teachers tell us about the ugly truths so when I learned more it wasn't so such a shock.

I'd love to pick up a textbook and see what is actually in them.

mickeyrat

 

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Union will defend teachers in 'critical race theory' fights

By COLLIN BINKLEY

9 mins ago

One of the nation’s largest teachers unions on Tuesday vowed to defend members who are punished for teaching an “honest history” of the United States, a measure that’s intended to counter the wave of states seeking to limit classroom discussion on race and discrimination.

In prepared remarks obtained by The Associated Press, American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten said her union is preparing litigation and has a legal defense fund “ready to go.” She promised to fight “culture warriors” who attempt to limit lessons on racism and discrimination by labeling it as critical race theory.

At least six states have passed new laws limiting how race can be taught in the classroom, and similar proposals are being considered in at least a dozen others. Many of the bills are intended to bar the teaching of critical race theory — an academic framework that examines history through the lens of racism. It centers on the idea that racism is systemic in the nation’s institutions and that they function to maintain the dominance of white people in society.

Last month, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed a law forbidding schools from teaching that people “should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress” because of their race or sex. It adds that slavery and racism can only be taught as a deviation from the nation's “authentic founding principles" of liberty and equality.

Bills in some other states threaten to fine individual teachers who violate the rules or reduce state funding to their schools.

“Mark my words: Our union will defend any member who gets in trouble for teaching honest history,” Weingarten said in remarks for a virtual address to union members. “Teaching the truth is not radical or wrong. Distorting history and threatening educators for teaching the truth is what is truly radical and wrong.”

In an interview, Weingarten said the union is adding $2.5 million to an existing legal defense fund in anticipation of local fights over the teaching of race. The funding will be used to defend teachers who are disciplined for teaching about slavery and racism, Weingarten said. The union is also considering filing lawsuits to get clarification about new state laws limiting how racism can be discussed in schools, she said.

“We’re looking at these laws to see if courts will give some clarification in advance,” Weingarten said. “It just looks like it’s an attempt to erase so much of the history of the United States.”

Once an obscure academic idea, critical race theory has become a political rallying cry for Republicans who argue that it sows division and makes children feel guilty for being white. But Weingarten said the concept has mostly been taught at the college level and is not taught at the nation’s elementary, middle and high schools.

Instead, she says conservatives are invoking the theory to bully teachers and prevent any critical discussion of the nation’s history. Some of the state laws are so expansive, she said, that they appear to prevent any accurate lesson on the Civil War, slavery or its abolition.

“Teaching America’s history requires considering all the facts available to us — including those that are uncomfortable — like the history of enslavement and discrimination toward people of color and people perceived as different,” she wrote in her comments. “Years ago, the country unified against Holocaust deniers. We must unite again to address racism and its long-term effects.”

The nation's other major teachers union, the National Education Association, recently issued its own call for an honest teaching of the nation's racial histories. At the union's national meeting last week, president Becky Pringle urged teachers to prepare students for a society that “has wrestled with the sins of its past” and learned from them.

“If this grand experiment in democracy is to succeed, if the inhabitants of our nation are to prosper, we must continuously do the work to challenge ourselves and others to dismantle the racist interconnected systems, and the economic injustices that have perpetuated systemic inequities,” Pringle said.

Weingarten’s pledge was included as part of a broader call for improved civics education. She called for improved lessons on how to identify disinformation and on current events such as the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. To help, the union is recruiting 20 teachers in three school districts to produce new classroom materials and share them with other teachers across the country.

Much of her speech is focused on the coming school year and beyond, as the nation starts to recover from the pandemic. But she also raised concerns about the rapidly spreading delta variant of the coronavirus and its effect on schooling the fall. Weingarten said schools “can reopen this fall” for full in-person learning, but she cautioned that “there are still risks.”

The union is seeking updated school guidance from the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, asking whether students under 12 should wear masks and whether 3 feet of physical distance is enough. The agency’s most recent guidance recommending 3 feet between students was issued before the delta variant started spreading in the U.S.

"We need this science-grounded guidance to clear up ambiguities, and that reflect the realities of school environments,” Weingarten said in her comments.

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

I also had the great misfortune to attend Catholic School, for a number of years.

While CRT is an American term and approach I would think that, globally, we would do well as a people to teach truth to our children.  This avoidance/masking is not a distinctly American problem.

Writing as an American, I do believe that teaching our children what is real is the only potential way we have to get clear of the idiocracy.   A friend shared something with me yesterday that his town actually distributed to their citizens which was totally ignorant of the true history of this country.  He felt it was done with malice -- I assumed it was done through ignorance.  Either way, we should not be perpetuating the bullshit that we are, here, in the USA, in 2021. 

I must have been lucky in that I had teachers tell us about the ugly truths so when I learned more it wasn't so such a shock.

I'd love to pick up a textbook and see what is actually in them.

I remember a lot of the same. We learned about slavery (even watched Roots in 8th grade, it was funny when OJ had his cameo because that was during the trial). Trail of Tears and general treatment of Natives, voting history of blacks and women, witch trials, segregation, Treatment of Chinese immigrants, etc. We didn’t cover everything, like the 1921 massacre, but US history in school was far from peaches ‘n cream. Maybe they could have gone in more detail, but I don’t view it as masking our history. It was pretty ugly.
They already have to skip a lot, each new topic means they to skip something else like the crash of ‘29, Watergate, the Titanic. They probably already do. 

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

I also had the great misfortune to attend Catholic School, for a number of years.

While CRT is an American term and approach I would think that, globally, we would do well as a people to teach truth to our children.  This avoidance/masking is not a distinctly American problem.

Writing as an American, I do believe that teaching our children what is real is the only potential way we have to get clear of the idiocracy.   A friend shared something with me yesterday that his town actually distributed to their citizens which was totally ignorant of the true history of this country.  He felt it was done with malice -- I assumed it was done through ignorance.  Either way, we should not be perpetuating the bullshit that we are, here, in the USA, in 2021. 

I must have been lucky in that I had teachers tell us about the ugly truths so when I learned more it wasn't so such a shock.

I'd love to pick up a textbook and see what is actually in them.

I remember a lot of the same. We learned about slavery (even watched Roots in 8th grade, it was funny when OJ had his cameo because that was during the trial). Trail of Tears and general treatment of Natives, voting history of blacks and women, witch trials, segregation, Treatment of Chinese immigrants, etc. We didn’t cover everything, like the 1921 massacre, but US history in school was far from peaches ‘n cream. Maybe they could have gone in more detail, but I don’t view it as masking our history. It was pretty ugly.
They already have to skip a lot, each new topic means they to skip something else like the crash of ‘29, Watergate, the Titanic. They probably already do. 

So you learned the same as I did.  Are they not teaching this anymore?

I'm wondering what the disconnect actually is.

I do know that kids get free passes on things nowadays but that doesn't have anything to do with CRT.

Any teacher out there want to speak about what is being taught?

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

I also had the great misfortune to attend Catholic School, for a number of years.

While CRT is an American term and approach I would think that, globally, we would do well as a people to teach truth to our children.  This avoidance/masking is not a distinctly American problem.

Writing as an American, I do believe that teaching our children what is real is the only potential way we have to get clear of the idiocracy.   A friend shared something with me yesterday that his town actually distributed to their citizens which was totally ignorant of the true history of this country.  He felt it was done with malice -- I assumed it was done through ignorance.  Either way, we should not be perpetuating the bullshit that we are, here, in the USA, in 2021. 

I must have been lucky in that I had teachers tell us about the ugly truths so when I learned more it wasn't so such a shock.

I'd love to pick up a textbook and see what is actually in them.

I remember a lot of the same. We learned about slavery (even watched Roots in 8th grade, it was funny when OJ had his cameo because that was during the trial). Trail of Tears and general treatment of Natives, voting history of blacks and women, witch trials, segregation, Treatment of Chinese immigrants, etc. We didn’t cover everything, like the 1921 massacre, but US history in school was far from peaches ‘n cream. Maybe they could have gone in more detail, but I don’t view it as masking our history. It was pretty ugly.
They already have to skip a lot, each new topic means they to skip something else like the crash of ‘29, Watergate, the Titanic. They probably already do. 

So you learned the same as I did.  Are they not teaching this anymore?

I'm wondering what the disconnect actually is.

I do know that kids get free passes on things nowadays but that doesn't have anything to do with CRT.

Any teacher out there want to speak about what is being taught?

I don't think any of that has changed. CRT is the right's new bogeyman and they're going to use that as an excuse to ensure history becomes more "peaches and cream." Isn't Texas trying to make new laws discouraging teaching about certain things? Fascism is coming, folks. 

The head of a teachers union was on Cuomo's show last night. I encourage you to seek out that clip. She's a social studies teacher and really explained everything well.

Also, my wife was an elementary school teacher who is now in an administrative position but she's a secretary (or some other title, I'm not sure of) in the union here and she doesn't even know what CRT is. It's not something that is being implemented like Fox would have you believe. These far right wacko's have moved on from "defunding the police" since Biden is for funding the police and the country's liberal bastion of NYC just elected a former police chief so now they're all in on this nonsense and restricting voting access etc...

I wish more people paid attention to this kind of stuff during non election cycles. 

mcgruff10

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  A teacher this year received a complaint because a parent thought he spent too much time on lynchings.  Like what in the actual fuck. It happened here in the USA, own it. 

tempo_n_groove

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Parksy said:

I went to catholic school.  You can imagine my surprise when I began learning about the real world in my late teens / early twenties.  

I'm Canadian. I have no idea what CRT is.  My guess is... it's a proposed plan to teach kids about race history and bigotry/prejudice in american history.  I'm all for it. But I don't think USA is anywhere near ready for it.   I think it should start early.  Mainstream media seems hell bent on brainwashing people. Whether it's CNN or Fox News...  News isn't news. Facts are distorted.  If we can teach young people early on to not buy the garbage they're being fed on TV or on their phones, we'll all be better off for it. 

What gets fascinating and distorted about learning in school is creating a culture of what is good and what is bad.  What is right and what is wrong.  What is true and what is false.  Sounds pretty easy, but in the USA especially, the line between right and wrong has never been more blurry. What kids are going to be learning in school is going to be fought by their parents and politicians... which I think is what's happening with this CRT stuff. 

I can only imagine being an American kid....   learning history in high school....  about the civil war....  in a building named after Robert E. Lee.  My goodness gracious.  Critical Race Theory?!?  (PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!)  Talk about confusion and sending mixed signals.  

Someone pointed out earlier that teachers shouldn't be activists.  I agree. They shouldn't be racists either. Much like cops, because they're human, you're always going to get the good with the bad. Some will be overly left, some will be overly right. Hopefully there is a way to weed that out. 

Here in Canada I learned about Residential Schools from a rock star.  That's just sad. It should have been taught and explained in school. Bottom line though .. in Canada and in USA I think, education is run by government...  and the government sucks dicks. 

I think the focus on schooling and education should always be about truth and perspective... especially history. Our historical figures are always glorified for the good they do, never criticized for the bad.  There is nothing.. nothing wrong with learning everything.  Hiding or masking anything from history for whatever reason... especially pride, or embarrassment is dead wrong. But again, this is 2021 and if we as a people don't start getting our act in gear, you can forget about Critical Race Theory.  The rate of dumbasses getting clout, popularity, and prominence is growing and growing (Donald Trump was prez for 4 years..... and still thinks he is.... as do like millions of you Americans)  Up could soon become down.  Blue could become green.  The rifts in the Divided States of America are growing bigger and bigger. 

I also had the great misfortune to attend Catholic School, for a number of years.

While CRT is an American term and approach I would think that, globally, we would do well as a people to teach truth to our children.  This avoidance/masking is not a distinctly American problem.

Writing as an American, I do believe that teaching our children what is real is the only potential way we have to get clear of the idiocracy.   A friend shared something with me yesterday that his town actually distributed to their citizens which was totally ignorant of the true history of this country.  He felt it was done with malice -- I assumed it was done through ignorance.  Either way, we should not be perpetuating the bullshit that we are, here, in the USA, in 2021. 

I must have been lucky in that I had teachers tell us about the ugly truths so when I learned more it wasn't so such a shock.

I'd love to pick up a textbook and see what is actually in them.

I remember a lot of the same. We learned about slavery (even watched Roots in 8th grade, it was funny when OJ had his cameo because that was during the trial). Trail of Tears and general treatment of Natives, voting history of blacks and women, witch trials, segregation, Treatment of Chinese immigrants, etc. We didn’t cover everything, like the 1921 massacre, but US history in school was far from peaches ‘n cream. Maybe they could have gone in more detail, but I don’t view it as masking our history. It was pretty ugly.
They already have to skip a lot, each new topic means they to skip something else like the crash of ‘29, Watergate, the Titanic. They probably already do. 

So you learned the same as I did.  Are they not teaching this anymore?

I'm wondering what the disconnect actually is.

I do know that kids get free passes on things nowadays but that doesn't have anything to do with CRT.

Any teacher out there want to speak about what is being taught?

I don't think any of that has changed. CRT is the right's new bogeyman and they're going to use that as an excuse to ensure history becomes more "peaches and cream." Isn't Texas trying to make new laws discouraging teaching about certain things? Fascism is coming, folks. 

The head of a teachers union was on Cuomo's show last night. I encourage you to seek out that clip. She's a social studies teacher and really explained everything well.

Also, my wife was an elementary school teacher who is now in an administrative position but she's a secretary (or some other title, I'm not sure of) in the union here and she doesn't even know what CRT is. It's not something that is being implemented like Fox would have you believe. These far right wacko's have moved on from "defunding the police" since Biden is for funding the police and the country's liberal bastion of NYC just elected a former police chief so now they're all in on this nonsense and restricting voting access etc...

I wish more people paid attention to this kind of stuff during non election cycles. 

Thanks Juggs I will look for it.

For the record I started this because I was unsure of what was actually being taught.  It has become clearer that a boogey man is amongst us like you said.

Keep piling it on people!

Hobbes

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

mcgruff10

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

tempo_n_groove

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

This is what I am trying to find facts on.  That the truth was never actually being told.  Things like the first Thanksgiving was a real thing and Jim Crow laws never existed. 

Hobbes

mcgruff10 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Taught 8th grade for sixteen years and every year I would teach reconstruction and the civil rights movement.  I wonder if some
of these topics will be a thing of the past in some states.  

You think that they will stop teaching what actually happened?  That is nuts and hope that isn't true.

They've never taught what actually happened. That's the whole point of CRT.

What do you mean they’ve never taught what actually happened?

Whitewashed version. No discredit to you and your efforts to educate your students, but more than likely it was a whitewashed version.