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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    cincybearcat said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Everything I have read regarding the variants, the more variants the more contagious, however the less lethal. 

    Is this an agreed upon stance here?
    So, 10 or so replies since this post and not one disagreement.  As the virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less deadly.  Glad we all agree on that.

    The question becomes, why is our President sending a message like this knowing it is false?



    And why do we have a need for a response team for Delta?



    You really shouldn't take it that way.  Just people have learned to ignore you some.  
    If nobody responded at all, I would agree with you.  The problem is people responded directly to that post and di not question any of it, that variants are more contagious and less lethal.  Mickey, merky, meltdown (which he is appropriately named after that profanity laced tirade) and others all replied meaning I was not ignored.

    I just hope y'all are all prepared for more lockdowns and more restrictions coming at the hands of the more contagious, less lethal delta variant.  Lambda is coming as well, and fast.  You heard it here first. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 


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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Delta variant potentially more deadly, though given the lag between infection - hospitalizations - death it is too soon to tell. Early data suggests it may lead to up to 85% increase in need for hospitalization. 

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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
    We are having about 150.000 confirmed cases  a week min. Atm. So that will add up to 150 deaths a week with those equations . So no i wouldn't  want that at all.  See what it adds upto? And with lag and  rapid increase  by a few  1000 a day each week . Its very bad


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    edited July 2021
    It will undoubtedly  cause carnage in the  USA.  With  your  low number of population  fully vaxxed and the speed its moving. Even one dose isn't  enough  and the time it takes to get max immunity  is to long  to make a difference  once it gets doubling like it is here. Imagine that on a 300 million  scale not a 60 million  population  like here.I dont get what you can't  see


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    Oh and there is a delta  plus variant. A good mix of delta and south African one..that sounds like really bad news


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    Remember  our numbers were down to negligible  only a month ago


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  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,759
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    lastexitlondon said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
    We are having about 150.000 confirmed cases  a week min. Atm. So that will add up to 150 deaths a week with those equations . So no i wouldn't  want that at all.  See what it adds upto? And with lag and  rapid increase  by a few  1000 a day each week . Its very bad
    Again, maybe I am missing or something or my math is funky or whatever, but by the numbers you mention, 150,000 cases with 150 deaths puts the chance to survive at 99.9%.  A quick google hit of "UK Covid" seems to suggest what you are saying, rising cases but the deaths are not following, nor are the hospitalizations.  Obviously, no one wants any death.  Ever.  But after what we have went through the past year, do these numbers not suggest this is nowhere near as bad as the original?
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    lastexitlondon said:
    Oh and there is a delta  plus variant. A good mix of delta and south African one..that sounds like really bad news
    Actually, there is Lambda right there in your homeland.  But again, knowing what we think we know about viruses mutating, this seems to not be as bad as the news makes it out to be.  I think anyway until someone can convince me otherwise.

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210629/lambda-covid-variant-discovered-in-uk

    ‘Lambda’ COVID Variant Discovered in UK

    By Dejania Oliver
    photo of coronavirus

    June 29, 2021 -- A new coronavirus variant that has infected thousands in South America has now been discovered in the UK.

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
    We are having about 150.000 confirmed cases  a week min. Atm. So that will add up to 150 deaths a week with those equations . So no i wouldn't  want that at all.  See what it adds upto? And with lag and  rapid increase  by a few  1000 a day each week . Its very bad
    Again, maybe I am missing or something or my math is funky or whatever, but by the numbers you mention, 150,000 cases with 150 deaths puts the chance to survive at 99.9%.  A quick google hit of "UK Covid" seems to suggest what you are saying, rising cases but the deaths are not following, nor are the hospitalizations.  Obviously, no one wants any death.  Ever.  But after what we have went through the past year, do these numbers not suggest this is nowhere near as bad as the original?
    No.

    First, given time lags between infection, hospitalization and deaths you can’t look at mortality data now and conclude that it “is nowhere as bad as the original”. 

    Second, improvements in mortality and morbidity are mostly due to improved knowledge about effective vs ineffective treatments rather than a less dangerous form of the virus. 

    Your conclusions are incorrect. 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    Pointless 


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Will also add that the benefits of improved treatments in hospital are lost if the health care system gets overwhelmed again and those treatments can’t be provided. 
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  • Kat
    Kat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,955
    edited July 2021
    There are significant symptoms that can remain even after recovering from Covid. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I sure wouldn't want to feel the symptoms. Their lives are changed, maybe forever? We just don't know enough yet. Lastexitlondon, how is the hospital situation there from those numbers? I hope it doesn't get like before. Stay safe all.

    What are the long term effects of COVID-19?
    As more and more people in the U.S. recover after COVID-19 infection, physicians and researchers have noticed a trend: Some COVID-19 survivors experience long-lasting fatigue, lung problems, joint pain, brain fog and other symptoms.May 19, 2021

    https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2021/05/19/how-covid-19-affects-kids-long-term/

    added...
    Oh, and I'll listen to the medical community for information on a medical condition, not other "experts" who may have other motives to downplay what could affect our lives and health and the health of our families. It's those pesky underlying conditions again I keep thinking about too. We've had enough death.
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    oftenreading said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
    We are having about 150.000 confirmed cases  a week min. Atm. So that will add up to 150 deaths a week with those equations . So no i wouldn't  want that at all.  See what it adds upto? And with lag and  rapid increase  by a few  1000 a day each week . Its very bad
    Again, maybe I am missing or something or my math is funky or whatever, but by the numbers you mention, 150,000 cases with 150 deaths puts the chance to survive at 99.9%.  A quick google hit of "UK Covid" seems to suggest what you are saying, rising cases but the deaths are not following, nor are the hospitalizations.  Obviously, no one wants any death.  Ever.  But after what we have went through the past year, do these numbers not suggest this is nowhere near as bad as the original?
    No.

    First, given time lags between infection, hospitalization and deaths you can’t look at mortality data now and conclude that it “is nowhere as bad as the original”. 

    Second, improvements in mortality and morbidity are mostly due to improved knowledge about effective vs ineffective treatments rather than a less dangerous form of the virus. 

    Your conclusions are incorrect. 
    So when can the data start to be observed to tell how bad this variant will be?  According to the WHO (which at this point who the hell knows who to believe), the Delta variant was first found in India in October of 2020.  https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,753
    Kat said:

    Oh, and I'll listen to the medical community for information on a medical condition, not other "experts" who may have other motives to downplay what could affect our lives and health and the health of our families. It's those pesky underlying conditions again I keep thinking about too. We've had enough death.
    This. 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    oftenreading said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
    We are having about 150.000 confirmed cases  a week min. Atm. So that will add up to 150 deaths a week with those equations . So no i wouldn't  want that at all.  See what it adds upto? And with lag and  rapid increase  by a few  1000 a day each week . Its very bad
    Again, maybe I am missing or something or my math is funky or whatever, but by the numbers you mention, 150,000 cases with 150 deaths puts the chance to survive at 99.9%.  A quick google hit of "UK Covid" seems to suggest what you are saying, rising cases but the deaths are not following, nor are the hospitalizations.  Obviously, no one wants any death.  Ever.  But after what we have went through the past year, do these numbers not suggest this is nowhere near as bad as the original?
    No.

    First, given time lags between infection, hospitalization and deaths you can’t look at mortality data now and conclude that it “is nowhere as bad as the original”. 

    Second, improvements in mortality and morbidity are mostly due to improved knowledge about effective vs ineffective treatments rather than a less dangerous form of the virus. 

    Your conclusions are incorrect. 
    So when can the data start to be observed to tell how bad this variant will be?  According to the WHO (which at this point who the hell knows who to believe), the Delta variant was first found in India in October of 2020.  https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/
    That’s irrelevant when you are putting forth data from the UK, though. But I think you know that. 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,875
    The hospital  admissions are rising. Deaths  25 roughly  a day
     Which is lower.  But its early.  We have a lot of fully vaxxed
     And some are still getting it.  Where i live  cases  doubled this week. 


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The  delta is running  through our country  now at 20.000 a day. Mark my words  once it starts  there you all will see how  fast this is spreading im not saying vaccinate kids . 
    This is fast. 
    Right.  You are in the UK and as the study I linked on the last page states, out of 53,000+ unvaxxed people there were only 44 deaths.

    So would you not want this strain running through the country in order to get to that herd immunity number, whatever it is?  Vax + antibodies = herd?  Or am I looking at this wrong?
    We are having about 150.000 confirmed cases  a week min. Atm. So that will add up to 150 deaths a week with those equations . So no i wouldn't  want that at all.  See what it adds upto? And with lag and  rapid increase  by a few  1000 a day each week . Its very bad
    Again, maybe I am missing or something or my math is funky or whatever, but by the numbers you mention, 150,000 cases with 150 deaths puts the chance to survive at 99.9%.  A quick google hit of "UK Covid" seems to suggest what you are saying, rising cases but the deaths are not following, nor are the hospitalizations.  Obviously, no one wants any death.  Ever.  But after what we have went through the past year, do these numbers not suggest this is nowhere near as bad as the original?
    I'm going to do this one last time. The other issue isn't the actual Covid numbers and deaths. It's the fact that hospitals can be overwhelmed with Covid patients such that if you were to get into a car accident or have a heart attack or need surgery you might die while waiting for space in a hospital.

    You don't want to get vaccinated or your kids.
    That's  great
    But If someone in your family gets sick and dies,  or infects some else and they die, that is on you.

    Good luck

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