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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,324

    how adult. 
    that dude is a member of the us house of representatives.

    if that child can get elected, i can get elected.
    I have noticed the more politicians post on social media, the more they sound like bored teenagers. If Twitter disappeared forever I wouldn't shed a tear.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,229
    If they don't come back toward the center, fuck them. Its not up to the Left to save their asses from the mess they created. I want no part of Liz Cheney's vision for 'Murica.

    Opinion: The GOP has lost its way. Fellow Americans, join our new alliance.

    Opinion by Charlie Dent
    Mary Peters
    Denver Riggleman
    Michael Steele
     and 
    Christine Todd Whitman
     
    May 13, 2021 at 9:00 a.m. EDT
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    Charlie Dent represented Pennsylvania’s 15th Congressional District in the U.S. House from 2005 to 2018. Mary Peters was secretary of transportation during the George W. Bush administration. Denver Riggleman represented Virginia’s 5th Congressional District in the U.S. House from 2019 to 2021. Michael Steele is a former chairman of the Republican National Committee. Christine Todd Whitman was governor of New Jersey from 1994 to 2001.

    The Republican Party made a grievous error this week in ousting Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) from the House leadership for telling the truth about Donald Trump’s “big lie,” which has wreaked havoc in our democratic republic by casting doubt over the 2020 election.

    Cheney rightfully struck back against party leaders and warned about the GOP’s dangerous direction. She is not alone.

    Alongside dozens of prominent Republicans, ex-Republicans and independents, we are announcing “A Call for American Renewal,” a nationwide rallying cry against extremist elements within the GOP, and highlighting the urgent need for a new, common-sense coalition.

    We urge fellow Americans to join us.

    Our alliance includes former governors, members of Congress, Cabinet secretaries, state officials, seasoned political strategists and grass-roots leaders dedicated to offering a hopeful, principles-based vision for the country — and ensuring that our votes have decisive impact in key elections across the United States.

    We want to give voice to the millions of Americans who feel politically homeless and mobilize them to help chart a new path forward for our country.

    It is time for a rebirth of the American cause, which we will pursue in partnership and loyal competition with others committed to the preservation of our Union.

    Tragically, the Republican Party has lost its way, perverted by fear, lies and self-interest. What’s more, GOP attacks on the integrity of our elections and our institutions pose a continuing and material threat to the nation.

    The Jan. 6 insurrection was a wake-up call for many who had remained loyal to the party, even while harboring concerns about its direction.

    Many have since left. The GOP has effectively become a privileged third party, ranking behind independents and Democrats in voter registration.

    Meanwhile, Republican legislators are trying to impede voting rights across the country as a last-ditch effort to retain power.

    We will not wait forever for the GOP to clean up its act. If we cannot save the Republican Party from itself, we will help save America from extremist elements in the Republican Party.

    That means hastening the creation of an alternative: a political movement dedicated to our founding principles and divorced from the GOP’s obsessive cult of personality around a deeply flawed (and twice-impeached) man, whose favorability ratings are reportedly tanking in key swing districts around the country.

    We will fight for honorable Republicans who stand up for truth and decency, such as Liz CheneyAdam KinzingerLisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney, to name a few.

    But we will not rely on the old partisan playbook. We intend to work across party lines with other Americans to oppose extremists and defend the republic wherever we can.

    Together with our patriotic allies in other parties, our movement will stand against fearmongers, conspiracy theorists and the opportunists who seek unbridled power.

    We plan to invest in a deeper bench of effective leaders in cities and states across the country while recruiting a new generation of principled, pragmatic citizens to the cause.

    Some no doubt will urge us to join the Democratic Party. We believe that inching toward a single-party system would be dangerous and would fail to represent the diverse viewpoints in our nation.

    America cannot have just one party committed to preservation of its democratic institutions. There must be at least two, if not more.

    With Cheney’s dismissal from House leadership, the battle for the soul of the Republican Party — and our country — is not over. It is just beginning, which is why we are forming a “resistance of the rational” against the radicals.

    We still hope for a healthy, thriving Republican Party, but we are no longer holding our breath.

    Next month, we will convene a nationwide town hall open to all Americans and featuring current and former U.S. leaders who will lay out where we must go from here, how we can ensure a freer America and how all citizens can join the fight.

    Extremists may have fired the first shot in this moral struggle for America’s future, but with truth as our lodestar, those laboring to renew America will fire the last.

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  • And if the left don't come back to the center, fuck them.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    pssst, most of the "left" ARE center.....
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    the left in america are like the centre right in Canada. lol
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,229
    And if the left don't come back to the center, fuck them.
    Dig coal.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    And if the left don't come back to the center, fuck them.
    Dig coal.

    without the regs and rules labor pushed for.   ..
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  • And if the left don't come back to the center, fuck them.
    Dig coal.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,229
    And if the left don't come back to the center, fuck them.
    Dig coal.

    Are you sure?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:
    pssst, most of the "left" ARE center.....
    That would mean you are center then?

    On here I sound right leaning.  Talking w my conservative family I'm a commie.  I'm center.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    edited May 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    pssst, most of the "left" ARE center.....
    That would mean you are center then?

    On here I sound right leaning.  Talking w my conservative family I'm a commie.  I'm center.
    registered indpendent from the start. voted both ways until recently. gop offers jack shit in the way of reasonable policy any more. instead they sell fear. thats all. oh and corporations are people that shouldnt pay a dime for anything.

    am for a strong military but believe they should be audited like every other dept.

    believe in police but with accountability

    social issues am fairly liberal.

    something suggested otherwise?

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    I'll just park this right here....

    Sorry, but ‘Gone With the Wind’ is not a history book

    Creating a false, Disneyfied version of the past is a disservice to students

    Rep John Lewis talks to students on the Hill in 2015 about his experience in Selma Ala That bit of history may not make it past curriculum censors under new laws being pushed across the country Curtis writes Bill ClarkCQ Roll Call file photo
    Rep. John Lewis talks to students on the Hill in 2015 about his experience in Selma, Ala. That bit of history may not make it past curriculum censors under new laws being pushed across the country, Curtis writes. (Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call file photo)

    Posted May 13, 2021 at 6:00am

    The White House issued a proclamation last week, of the sort that most presidents have issued about historical events that deserve commemorating, but that were missing, for the most part, during the Trump reign.

    This one marked the 60th anniversary of the first Freedom Rides, on May 4, 1961, when traveling on a bus meant risking your life, if you were with an integrated group, sitting in a spot of your choice. Those southbound heroes were willing to face beatings and the unknown at the hands of fellow citizens intent on stopping progress by any means necessary. Angry and afraid, the violent white supremacist mobs refused to acknowledge the humanity of African Americans or the validity of any law that looked forward not back.

    It’s the reality — and not the myth of uncomplicated greatness the country has told the world and itself for far too long.

    And it’s not always pretty.

    For that reason, many Republicans want to “cancel” it, to use a word today’s conservatives have been misusing with reckless abandon. They’d like to erase the history and the essential lessons that reveal so much about how and why America is so divided and its systems — of health care, housing, education and more — so inequitable in 2021.

    Why? Because for all the chest-thumping toughness so many Americans brag about, apparently white students are too fragile to hear the truth, or see the pictures on prized postcards that treated lynchings as entertainment for the whole family, an indictment of more than a few rogue racists.

    Black students, of course, subject to disproportionate school suspensions, stereotypical assumptions from teachers and keen scrutiny by law enforcement on their way to and from, and sometimes in, the classroom, know all too well that the problems they face stretch back 400 years and more. But the laws being passed and pushed in states across the country — no surprise — don’t have them in mind.

    Alternate reality

    For those making and debating these rules, in states such as Idaho, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Texas and Arkansas, creating an alternate reality, a version that resembles a Disneyfied diorama, is fine even if it is false, as long as it accommodates white feelings and gives in to white fears.

    How will these laws be enforced? Government monitors? Would a fine be imposed if a teacher steps over some vague line? Well, yes, in Arizona, the penalty could be $5,000. If a curious student asks a question, will the teacher no longer be allowed to answer?

    The late Rep. John Lewis, brave and persistent, who endured brutal beatings as a consequence of his civil rights activism —including his part in the Freedom Rides — would seem to be someone America’s students could look up to. But I’m doubtful his march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965 would make it past the curriculum censors since his attackers were agents of the state, enforcing unjust laws that prevented African Americans from voting, from living a free life.

    Can you imagine? Students might make a connection between those troopers and Derek Chauvin, a murderer in a uniform, and want to learn about the racist history of policing in America. Plus, calling that day “Bloody Sunday” just wouldn’t do.

    It’s no coincidence that the defenders of a white-washed version of history are in many cases the same legislators rushing through laws that criminalize the protesters who are the spiritual sons and daughters of Lewis.

    Do these arbiters of education think that if students don’t learn about Jim Crow, they won’t see anything shameful about “Jim Crow 2.0” laws that restrict voting rights and harken back to post-Reconstruction rules enacted to crush the progress of those who, once unshackled, achieved elective office and thrived?

    It’s clear from the twisted views of America’s past held by many of the staunchest defenders of the anti-history movement that a more inclusive curriculum is overdue, and they should sign up for a makeup class.

    Get the dunce cap ready for Martha Huckabay, president of the Women’s Republican Club of New Orleans, who defended Louisiana GOP state Rep. Ray Garofalo’s words on teaching about the “good” parts of enslaving men, women and children and offered choice thoughts of her own. Huckabay opined that slavery resulted in “hard working ethics” and that “many of the slaves loved their masters, and their masters loved them, and took very good care of them, and their families.” Was she talking about the torture, the rape or the selling of children away from moms and dads?

    Tennessee Republican state Rep. Justin Lafferty somehow interpreted the three-fifths compromise in the original Constitution, which counted the enslaved as three-fifths of a human being, as a step toward ending slavery.

    Colorado GOP state Rep. Ron Hanks said the three-fifths compromise “was not impugning anybody’s humanity” — after he made a lynching joke. His Republican colleague, state Rep. Richard Holtorf, called another colleague the racist stereotype “Buckwheat,” and insisted it had nothing — nothing — to do with race.

    CNN contributor Rick Santorum has tried and failed miserably to explain his comments that “we birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here. I mean, yes we have Native Americans, but candidly there isn’t much Native American culture in American culture.” Why, when he was a senator from Pennsylvania, could Santorum not be bothered to stroll to the National Museum of the American Indian? Was he too lazy or just incurious, either way not an example for school kids of any age?

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has weighed in on the debate. He seems fine with teaching the words of America’s founding documents — the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution. Does he want to stop there, leaving out how, when and why the country failed to live up to the lofty principles in those documents until forced to by true patriots? He has said the year 1619, when the first enslaved Africans arrived in colonial Virginia, means little to him. Considering his slave-owning ancestors benefited from trading and “owning” human beings and, presumably, passed the wealth on to family members, you’d think McConnell would be a little more “woke.”

    History repeats

    “The past is never dead. It’s not even past,” wrote William Faulkner. The depressing proof can be seen in the tiki-torch-carrying white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., chanting, “Jews will not replace us!” You have to wonder if avowed neo-Nazi James Fields Jr., serving life in prison for the killing of Heather Heyer, would even be charged under new laws that give a pass and winking approval to drivers who mow down protesters blocking a roadway?

    Just months ago, on Jan. 6, violent, hate-filled mobs — cousins in crime to those who greeted the Freedom Riders — stormed the U.S. Capitol, attacking police with the same weapons of batons and bats, hoisting Confederate flags, erecting gallows, hunting for lawmakers and endangering democracy itself.

    South Carolina, where Lewis was viciously attacked and left in a pool of blood at the Rock Hill stop of the original Freedom Rides, on Monday officially observed Confederate Memorial Day, honoring traitors who fought to split a nation over the issue of slavery.

    This Monday.

    How will the next generations do better if they are forbidden from learning the history they must not repeat?

    Mary C. Curtis has worked at The New York Times, The Baltimore Sun, The Charlotte Observer, as national correspondent for Politics Daily, and is a senior facilitator with The OpEd Project. Follow her on Twitter @mcurtisnc3.


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  • mickeyrat
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    LMAO
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    So - I guess the GOP was right.  As soon as trump was gone Covid would disappear....assuming they were talking about the AMT Covid thread. ;)

    Cancel culture strikes again!  
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    mickeyrat said:
    pssst, most of the "left" ARE center.....
    That would mean you are center then?

    On here I sound right leaning.  Talking w my conservative family I'm a commie.  I'm center.
    I'm left handed and I vote Democrat but I live in the middle of the country.
    Am I very left or left of center?
    I'm confused
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    So - I guess the GOP was right.  As soon as trump was gone Covid would disappear....assuming they were talking about the AMT Covid thread. ;)

    Cancel culture strikes again!  
    We can't have nice things
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mickeyrat said:
    pssst, most of the "left" ARE center.....
    That would mean you are center then?

    On here I sound right leaning.  Talking w my conservative family I'm a commie.  I'm center.
    I'm left handed and I vote Democrat but I live in the middle of the country.
    Am I very left or left of center?
    I'm confused
    If you are confused you might be Joe Biden. :)
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    Is this where we go to try to discuss things? We're losing threads. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    tbergs said:
    Is this where we go to try to discuss things? We're losing threads. 
    This is a good day. Coronavirus and The cancel culture have both been cancelled!
    hippiemom = goodness
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