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Analysis: Violence upends Biden's Israel-Palestinian outlookBy MATTHEW LEE2 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The surge in Israeli-Palestinian violence has flummoxed the Biden administration in its first four months as it attempts to craft a Middle East policy it believes will be more durable and fairer than that of its predecessor.
Its early hesitation to wade more deeply into efforts to resolve the decades-long conflict has created a leadership vacuum that is exacerbated by political uncertainty in Israel and the Palestinian Authority, each of which is clamoring for outside support and unhappy with America’s new determination to toe a middle line.
Israelis and Palestinians alike have denounced the Biden administration's call for all sides to step back following clashes between Israeli security forces and Palestinians in east Jerusalem that escalated into rocket attacks on Israel from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip and retaliatory strikes from Israel’s military.
“The US State Department message is not acceptable to me,” Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Gilad Erdan, said on Twitter. “It is impossible to put in the same message statements by Israeli leaders who call for calm alongside instigators and terrorist organizations that launch missiles and rockets.”
On the Palestinian side, there is frustration that the U.S. has slow-walked a U.N. Security Council statement that it sees as too unfavorable to Israel.
“The continued paralysis of the Security Council on the situation in Palestine is unacceptable,” the Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations, Riyad Mansour, said Tuesday. “The international community, particularly the Security Council, must condemn all of Israel’s illegal actions.”
Advocates for both sides say the administration appears to be pursuing an interim strategy that lacks coherence and sends mixed messages to the parties, neither of which has shown a willingness to listen or to back down.
The administration, unsurprisingly, has rejected that criticism.
“It is not that we failed to prioritize this,” State Department spokesman Ned Price said Tuesday, after giving a brief description of a call between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and his Israeli counterpart. “The United States is doing what we can knowing that our ability in certain situations is going to be in some cases limited."
President Joe Biden won initial but cautious plaudits from Mideast analysts when he rejected the Trump administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance and tentatively embraced the Palestinians by restoring aid and diplomatic contacts.
Yet the Biden administration has also retained key elements of President Donald Trump’s policies, including several that broke with long-standing U.S. positions on Jerusalem and the legitimacy of Israeli settlements that the Palestinians believe are manifestly biased against them. The administration has said little would be accomplished with immediate, wholesale shifts in Israel-Palestinian policy
At the same time, Israelis fear that even subtle shifts away from Trump’s hard line on the Palestinians and Biden’s determination to re-enter the Iran nuclear deal represent a direct threat to its security even as the administration seeks to build on Trump-era Israeli-Arab normalization accords.
“The parties have basically been conditioned over the past four years,” said former U.S. Mideast negotiator Aaron David Miller, who served under both Republican and Democratic administrations. “The Trump sugar high for the Israelis and the vinegar high for the Palestinians have created a certain set of expectations that this administration hasn’t addressed.”
The administration has not yet named an ambassador to Israel nor indicated that it will appoint a special envoy for peacemaking. By contrast, Trump’s nomination of an ambassador to Israel was one of his earliest appointments, announced more than a month before inauguration, and President Barack Obama chose former Sen. George Mitchell to serve as his Middle East peace envoy on his second day in office.
“I realize the administration has lowballed and deprioritized the Middle East and Israeli-Palestinian issue. But the lack of an ambassador to Israel and a consul general in Jerusalem is a serious problem during a crisis," Miller said.
Some Democrats and other progressives are also voicing frustration.
“The United States must call for an immediate cease-fire and an end to provocative and illegal settlement activity. And we must also recommit to working with Israelis and Palestinians to finally end this conflict,” Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent, said in a statement.
While it has categorically condemned Hamas rocket attacks on Israel and backed Israel’s absolute right to self-defense, the Biden administration has been yet either unwilling or unable to say whether the Palestinians meet the criteria to enjoy that same right of self-defense. It has also not modified long-held U.S. policy that the Palestinians are ineligible to take their grievances to the International Criminal Court because they are not a state.
This apparent contradiction, along with what the Palestinians consider to be a weak response to Israel's threatened evictions of Palestinian families from east Jerusalem that were a proximate cause of the latest tensions, have frustrated those looking for a new U.S. approach.
They note that the Biden administration, through a White House statement, has made clear that it believes “Palestinians and Israelis deserve equal measures of freedom, security, dignity and prosperity.”
“We're still waiting to see equal measures of empathy,” said Zaha Hassan, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the lead author of a report it issued last month titled “Breaking the Israel-Palestine Status Quo.” “The administration needs to recognize that Palestinian rights need to be respected.”
Hassan and others have urged the administration to stop resisting international attempts to put pressure on Israel, like stalling a U.N. Security Council statement condemning the violence. Although it won't win Biden friends in Israel, "it will shore up U.S. credibility around the world and obviously with the Palestinians,” Hassan said.
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EDITOR'S NOTE — AP Diplomatic Writer Matthew Lee has covered the State Department and U.S. foreign policy since 1999.
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·MAY 13, 2021, 12:02 PM
ICC prosecutor warns against crimes in escalating Israel-Palestinian violence
Anthony Deutsch, Stephanie van den BergTHE HAGUE, Netherlands (Reuters) - Individuals involved in a new eruption of Israeli-Palestinian bloodshed may be targeted by an International Criminal Court investigation now under way into alleged war crimes in earlier bouts of the conflict, its top prosecutor said in an interview.
FILE PHOTO: Public Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda attends the trial for Malian Islamist militant Al-Hassan Ag Abdoul Aziz Ag Mohamed Ag Mahmoud at the ICC (International Criminal Court) in the Hague, the Netherlands July 8, 2019. REUTERS/Eva Plevier/PoolThe ICC’s Fatou Bensouda told Reuters she would press ahead with her inquiry even without the cooperation of Israel, which accuses her office of anti-Semitic bias and - like its closest ally the United States - rejected membership in the treaty-based court, objecting to its jurisdiction.Israel and Palestinian Islamist groups plunged this week into their fiercest round of fighting since 2014, with punishing Israeli air strikes on Gaza and militants based in the densely populated enclave firing over 1,600 rockets into Israel. At least 83 Palestinians and seven Israelis have died.
“These are events that we are looking at very seriously,” Bensouda said. “We are monitoring very closely and I remind that an investigation has opened and the evolution of these events could also be something we look at.”
In March her office said it was opening a formal investigation into suspected war crimes in the conflict after nearly five years of preliminary inquiries.
It said it had reasonable basis to believe offences had been committed by both the Israeli military and Palestinian armed groups, including militants of the Hamas group, in the Gaza Strip and in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.
“This is just to alert people on all sides not to escalate, to be careful to avoid taking actions that will result in the commission of (war) crimes,” Bensouda said in a reference to the current hostilities.
The ICC, based in The Hague, is an independent, permanent war crimes court that succeeded ad hoc U.N. tribunals which tackled the 1990s Rwandan genocide and Yugoslav conflict. It prosecutes individuals, not countries, when a member state is unwilling or unable to do so itself.
‘POLITICALLY FRAUGHT’ INVESTIGATION
The ICC is examining whether Israeli forces committed war crimes - including disproportionate attacks and wilful killings of civilians - during the 2014 Gaza war when Israeli armoured forces swept into the heavily urbanised enclave.
It is also probing whether Hamas, which rules Gaza, and other Palestinian armed factions carried out intentional attacks on civilians with rocket fire into Israel, as well as torture and killings of Palestinians by Palestinian security services.
While the investigation is “politically fraught”, Bensouda said, she denied accusations by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that her office was biased, or was singling out the state of Israel.
“It is regrettable and indeed unfortunate that these are the reactions that the prime minister would have. This is far from the truth,” said Bensouda, a Gambian who will be replaced by Britain’s Karim Khan when her nine-year term ends next month.
Bensouda said the decision to pursue the investigation was anchored “in the law”, not politics.
“There is a lot of rhetoric. There is also unfortunately a lot of misinformation about what this case is and what it is not...And there is a lot of spinning about the ICC, trying to portray (it) as being biased, one-sided...which is not the case. We are always very impartial. We are always very objective.”
Bensouda said her investigators met regularly with Israeli and Palestinian officials about the ICC’s preliminary inquiries to create transparency and give both sides a fair opportunity to present their positions.
“This is perhaps even more complex than what we have faced before,” Bensouda said, “but yes, at the moment there are signs there will be no cooperation whatsoever from one side..., and (we) will have to look for a way to deal with that.”
The Palestinian Authority, which exercises self-rule in parts of the West Bank but has no power in Gaza, is an ICC member and has repeatedly urged it to prosecute Israelis over alleged crimes in wars in 2014 and 2008-09.
More than 2,100 Palestinians were killed in the seven-week Gaza war in 2014, which saw a devastating Israeli offensive into the enclave during which thousands of homes were razed, along with 73 Israelis from rockets fired out of Gaza into Israel.
This time around, many more Gaza rockets are crashing into Israel’s commercial heartland, while Israel said it had bombed close to a thousand militant targets in Gaza and has massed tanks and troops along the enclave’s border.
Asked about the ICC investigation, Israel military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jonathan Conricus said Israeli forces were “committed to international law” and that Hamas militants should be prosecuted.
“Hamas is a globally recognised terrorist organisation that should be held accountable for its crimes, its blatant disregard for human life,” he told Reuters.
Israel launched its offensive after Hamas fired rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv in retaliation for Israeli police clashes with Palestinians near al-Aqsa mosque in East Jerusalem during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.
In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said Palestinian militant groups were carrying out a “natural right of self-defence” and it was Israeli leaders the ICC should prosecute.
“Our people are the victims of the aggression conducted by the Israeli occupation, which is carrying out all forms of killing and terrorism against our people,” he told Reuters.
Reporting by Anthony Deutsch and Stephanie van den Berg; Additional reporting by Stephen Farrell and Zainah El-Haroun in Jerusalem, Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; editing by Mark Heinrich
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How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
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Drowned Out said:How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
skip to 1:05ish
https://youtu.be/6NliiXco9_gBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Drowned Out said:How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
skip to 1:05ish
https://youtu.be/6NliiXco9_g
were they his true feelings? starts there doesn't it?
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Drowned Out said:How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
skip to 1:05ish
https://youtu.be/6NliiXco9_g"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Oh... Roger Waters really calls Eddie out there..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Drowned Out said:How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
skip to 1:05ish
https://youtu.be/6NliiXco9_g
could it be that he backed down, or was he referring to some other government dropping down bombs around that time?
i would need to go review the concert footage because it has been a long time since i have watched it."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 said:Drowned Out said:How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
skip to 1:05ish
https://youtu.be/6NliiXco9_g
could it be that he backed down, or was he referring to some other government dropping down bombs around that time?
i would need to go review the concert footage because it has been a long time since i have watched it."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:gimmesometruth27 said:Drowned Out said:How’s it going AMT? Been a minute.This was sent to me by another person that used to frequent this board.Roger Waters just called Eddie Vedder out, by name, for being ‘everyone’s hero, always saying and doing the right thing, until you ask him to stand shoulder to shoulder’ in political struggle. This was in reference to the occupation of Palestine, and the efforts of the Israeli lobby in America...
Can this settle the Milton Keynes debate? Do we need anymore evidence that Eddie backed down from his true feelings after that rant? Still disappoints me.
skip to 1:05ish
https://youtu.be/6NliiXco9_g
could it be that he backed down, or was he referring to some other government dropping down bombs around that time?
i would need to go review the concert footage because it has been a long time since i have watched it."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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