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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,239
    Weston1283 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cblock4life said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Best/worst thing you can do to a troll is to IGNORE AND NOT RESPOND.
    There's a lot of frustration because the troll won.


    I’m totally stupid when it comes to this social media shit, not on FB, IG....nothing...did I do something wrong that made the troll win?
    No the troll won because we’re not going to hit heard immunity. There are enough people like him that we’re going to be going through this indefinitely and I happen to believe that’s what he and his want.

    He didn’t win these arguments; but in the real world he wins and we lose.
    no, we won't be going through this indefinitely. 
    How does it stop without herd immunity?
    https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/05/03/ashish-jha-herd-immunity/amp
    Great news, guess I can skip my second dose!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
    people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more. 
    So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus. 
    that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J. 

    and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things. 

    This is a really good article that provides clear information on all of these questions.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19

    There is some interesting data in the article, but the short form is that we know that the available vaccines markedly reduce the risk of infection, not just symptoms or disease. That means that the immune system is preventing cells from being infected with virus, and if the cells aren't infected the virus doesn't replicate and so can't be transmitted to others. It still isn't zero, but it's a big drop - just how much of a drop seems to vary a bit from study to study and vaccine to vaccine. 

    Viral load does matter, for those who do get an infection. It is likely that the lower the viral load (i.e. fewer viral particles in the blood), the lower the rate of viral shedding and the lower the rate of transmission to others. 

    The rare person who can't get vaccinated, or the many who choose not to, are likely to face fewer potential exposure events if the majority of the population is vaccinated. They will still run some risk but certainly not as high as if no one was vaccinated. So individually they are "just as vulnerable" if they actually get exposed, but in practice less vulnerable since they are much less likely to get exposed.

    Unless they hang out with a whole bunch of anti-vaxxers, I suppose. 
    I suppose my understanding of what the nurse administering my vaccine told me could be limited, but i thought she told me that the AZ vaccine didn't prevent infection; something about the vaccine molecules being too big from entering the nasal cavity to prevent the infection from entering the body, whereas the other vaccines could prevent that. 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Masks work. Lockdown works . Vaccination works.  Look at u.k i will post a video from prof  tim spector.  Which explains where we are now because  of all 3 of the above.


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    https://youtu.be/3VE2_ZfL5g0



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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    mrussel1 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dignin said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Follow the science.........




    Nobody but nutters care.

    You have zero credibility here.
    I believe it was you lost a cousin recently.  I was sorry to read that.  Was a gofundme or anything set up where my wife and I could donate? 
    Fucking rude.  
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,363
    edited May 2021
    how the gop proved him wrong....


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  • josevolution
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    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dignin said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Follow the science.........




    Nobody but nutters care.

    You have zero credibility here.
    I believe it was you lost a cousin recently.  I was sorry to read that.  Was a gofundme or anything set up where my wife and I could donate? 
    Dude you need to stop with your bullshit argument and just go , most of us here have gotten vaccinated because we care about our loved ones, you’ve become pathetic! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,222
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What's everyones feeling on vaccinations for 12-16 year olds?  A hard no?  Wait awhile?  Sign up now?

    My ex is a nurse practitioner and wants to get our 12 year old son vaccinated right away, I'm opting to wait a few months just to see how it goes.  

    data from their trials should available. compare those with the data from the earlier trials, the gen population and the 16 and up one. and you now have the data from theseveral months of widespread use.

    do you trust his mothers clinical experience and expertise?

    and your son, how astute is he? should he have some input in to getting it or not?
    He s 12, he gets zero say lol.  My 17 year old daughter is another story.   
    Do I trust my ex?  Oh man where do I begin? ;)
    She’s a nurse practitioner I’d trust her more than you that’s for damn sure, plus I don’t trust anyone who puts ice cubes in Red vino! 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,363
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What's everyones feeling on vaccinations for 12-16 year olds?  A hard no?  Wait awhile?  Sign up now?

    My ex is a nurse practitioner and wants to get our 12 year old son vaccinated right away, I'm opting to wait a few months just to see how it goes.  

    data from their trials should available. compare those with the data from the earlier trials, the gen population and the 16 and up one. and you now have the data from theseveral months of widespread use.

    do you trust his mothers clinical experience and expertise?

    and your son, how astute is he? should he have some input in to getting it or not?
    He s 12, he gets zero say lol.  My 17 year old daughter is another story.   
    Do I trust my ex?  Oh man where do I begin? ;)

    I didnt say trust your ex. I said trust her clinical experience and expertise. she IS a trained professional isnt she?
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    edited May 2021
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
    people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more. 
    So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus. 
    that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J. 

    and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things. 
    None of these  vaccines  stops infection.  All are the  same in that sence. But they will stop illness  and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but some


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,021
    lastexitlondon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
    people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more. 
    So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus. 
    that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J. 

    and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things. 
    None of these  vaccines  stops infection.  All are the  same in that sence. But they will stop illness  and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but some
    I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate.  Not accurate?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    oftenreading said:
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

    I'm holding out for a grand...
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
    people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more. 
    No, not true except for those with allergies to the components, but that can potentially be overcome by people choosing a different type of vaccine. A pretty small number of people are allergic to PEG, for instance, which is one of the components of the mRNA vaccines, but if you are then it should be okay to use AZ or Janssen. 

    People on all sorts of blood thinners and people with clotting disorders can still get vaccinated. They should let the person doing the vaccination know but it's not a contraindication.

    I can't find any other contraindications. There are some conditions for which we don't have much, if any, data, so some care providers are being cautious, but nothing else is an absolute contraindication that I'm aware of. 
    My mom on a blood thinner got vaccinated. We told the nurse, she said okay we'll apply more pressure, there was zero bleeding or bruising from both shots. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    oftenreading said:
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

    Kind of sad. Hey, if you want to stop wearing masks, do your part and get vaccinated. Maybe if enough people do it we can put masks behind us.
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    I'm way too preoccupied to find the source, but I think I heard on TV the other day that new infections are down 26% ????

    Evidence that the vaccinations are working???
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
    people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more. 
    So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus. 
    that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J. 

    and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things. 
    None of these  vaccines  stops infection.  All are the  same in that sence. But they will stop illness  and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but some
    I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate.  Not accurate?
    As i understood it . The person can get the virus but the body has antibodies and neutralises it so you dont replicate enough to shed. I maybe wrong 


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  • mickeyrat
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    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
    people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more. 
    So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus. 
    that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J. 

    and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things. 
    None of these  vaccines  stops infection.  All are the  same in that sence. But they will stop illness  and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but some
    I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate.  Not accurate?

    for the US , 1% of 100 million us vaccinated is still a number of people..
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,021
    edited May 2021
    what dreams said:
    I'm way too preoccupied to find the source, but I think I heard on TV the other day that new infections are down 26% ????

    Evidence that the vaccinations are working???
    No that proves that masks and social distancing promote infection transfer.  Doi. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    oftenreading said:
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

    When the vaccine rollout started on some of the reserves not far from Winnipeg, they were incentivizing people by giving every vaccine shot recipient an entry for a big screen tv. 
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