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Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
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The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.Scio me nihil scire
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"Submitted by anyone." And to answer your question, no.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
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So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.0 -
Speaking of misinformation, CNN which has led the way on "panic porn" throughout the past year (especially with that real time death counter on the screen!!) had a doctor on who stated, "The vast majority of deaths are in the 18-54 age group and actually the 18-34 age group is more than half of the deaths right now in this country". Scary right? Starts around 1:58 and goes on to blame Joe Rogan.
The problem is... it is a flat out lie! And she got called on it by numerous people. Actual data below followed up by her replies.
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That video is hilarious. No matter how you feel about the pandemic that’s funny.gvn2fly1421 said:And a little funny for all... Have a good weekend and stay safe out there!!0 -
In Greece we said..''at the deaf's door, knock as much you want''..gvn2fly1421 said:
So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc. He's doing a bang up job. Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.gvn2fly1421 said:
So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.0 -
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Nah, this is not coming from TES... But below is... More data that seems to suggest Covid-19 should have been called covid-18...mrussel1 said:
Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc. He's doing a bang up job. Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.gvn2fly1421 said:
So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.
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Considering previous misrepresentations, I'll pass on even evaluating anything says from now on. [Name-calling removed by Admin. See Posting Guidelines to preserve posting privileges.}gvn2fly1421 said:
Nah, this is not coming from TES... But below is... More data that seems to suggest Covid-19 should have been called covid-18...mrussel1 said:
Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc. He's doing a bang up job. Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.gvn2fly1421 said:
So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.Post edited by Kat on0 -
As TES puts it himself...mrussel1 said:[Name-calling removed by Admin. See Posting Guidelines to preserve posting privileges.}
Considering previous misrepresentations, I'll pass on even evaluating anything says from now on.gvn2fly1421 said:
Nah, this is not coming from TES... But below is... More data that seems to suggest Covid-19 should have been called covid-18...mrussel1 said:
Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc. He's doing a bang up job. Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.gvn2fly1421 said:
So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.
How come no one is reporting on this stuff and it seems taboo to try to find answers?Post edited by Kat on0 -
But you've found all of the "answers." What do you need the lame stream media and fake news for?gvn2fly1421 said:
As TES puts it himself...mrussel1 said:[Name-calling removed by Admin. See Posting Guidelines to preserve posting privileges.}
Considering previous misrepresentations, I'll pass on even evaluating anything says from now on.gvn2fly1421 said:
Nah, this is not coming from TES... But below is... More data that seems to suggest Covid-19 should have been called covid-18...mrussel1 said:
Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc. He's doing a bang up job. Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.gvn2fly1421 said:
So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger. Cool, I get it. But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death. So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?static111 said:
The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect. All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time. So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.gvn2fly1421 said:Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"? When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data". For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.
My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work. 79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose. Heart attack. Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.
It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff. By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.
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There seems to be a major disconnect from a majority in this thread with what happens in the real world. The majority in this thread seem to think that catching the virus equates to automatic death. Reality is that is far from the case. In fact, catching the virus for most means you do not even know you have it.
If the virus was making it's way around the world in 2018, and even in the US in late 2019 ( https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 ), you have to eventually ask yourself, were all the mitigation efforts worth it?
Dunno, just food for thought.
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Survival rate is problematic for two reasons. First, it's not just that you catch it, it's that you have the potential to spread it to several others, who will spread it to others...exponential spread. Some of those people will die. Second is we're not yet certain about the impact of quality of life. If I survive covid and it doesn't reduce my length of life but I'm struggling for every breath? No thanks. Some people are bouncing back well. I do have a friend who's 45, five or six months removed, and still struggling, though.gvn2fly1421 said:There seems to be a major disconnect from a majority in this thread with what happens in the real world. The majority in this thread seem to think that catching the virus equates to automatic death. Reality is that is far from the case. In fact, catching the virus for most means you do not even know you have it.
If the virus was making it's way around the world in 2018, and even in the US in late 2019 ( https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 ), you have to eventually ask yourself, were all the mitigation efforts worth it?
Dunno, just food for thought.
Survival rates is an over-simplified way to assess this, particularly if you're interested in helping the greater good.*
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literally no one here has said that, or even come close to inferring it. just stop.gvn2fly1421 said:There seems to be a major disconnect from a majority in this thread with what happens in the real world. The majority in this thread seem to think that catching the virus equates to automatic death. Reality is that is far from the case. In fact, catching the virus for most means you do not even know you have it.
If the virus was making it's way around the world in 2018, and even in the US in late 2019 ( https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 ), you have to eventually ask yourself, were all the mitigation efforts worth it?
Dunno, just food for thought.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I don’t know….lots of talk in here about you killing your neighbor if you don’t vaccinate yourself….it’s kind of the same thought.HughFreakingDillon said:
literally no one here has said that, or even come close to inferring it. just stop.gvn2fly1421 said:There seems to be a major disconnect from a majority in this thread with what happens in the real world. The majority in this thread seem to think that catching the virus equates to automatic death. Reality is that is far from the case. In fact, catching the virus for most means you do not even know you have it.
If the virus was making it's way around the world in 2018, and even in the US in late 2019 ( https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 ), you have to eventually ask yourself, were all the mitigation efforts worth it?
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It's shorthand for the reality that spreading it endangers others. And someone will die, even if it's someone a few people removed. That said, the more of us that are vaccinated, the less likely that is to happen.elvistheking44 said:
I don’t know….lots of talk in here about you killing your neighbor if you don’t vaccinate yourself….it’s kind of the same thought.HughFreakingDillon said:
literally no one here has said that, or even come close to inferring it. just stop.gvn2fly1421 said:There seems to be a major disconnect from a majority in this thread with what happens in the real world. The majority in this thread seem to think that catching the virus equates to automatic death. Reality is that is far from the case. In fact, catching the virus for most means you do not even know you have it.
If the virus was making it's way around the world in 2018, and even in the US in late 2019 ( https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 ), you have to eventually ask yourself, were all the mitigation efforts worth it?
Dunno, just food for thought.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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