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    Weston1283 said:
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    https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/05/03/ashish-jha-herd-immunity/amp
    Great news, guess I can skip my second dose!
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,884
    oftenreading said:
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    This is a really good article that provides clear information on all of these questions.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19

    There is some interesting data in the article, but the short form is that we know that the available vaccines markedly reduce the risk of infection, not just symptoms or disease. That means that the immune system is preventing cells from being infected with virus, and if the cells aren't infected the virus doesn't replicate and so can't be transmitted to others. It still isn't zero, but it's a big drop - just how much of a drop seems to vary a bit from study to study and vaccine to vaccine. 

    Viral load does matter, for those who do get an infection. It is likely that the lower the viral load (i.e. fewer viral particles in the blood), the lower the rate of viral shedding and the lower the rate of transmission to others. 

    The rare person who can't get vaccinated, or the many who choose not to, are likely to face fewer potential exposure events if the majority of the population is vaccinated. They will still run some risk but certainly not as high as if no one was vaccinated. So individually they are "just as vulnerable" if they actually get exposed, but in practice less vulnerable since they are much less likely to get exposed.

    Unless they hang out with a whole bunch of anti-vaxxers, I suppose. 
    I suppose my understanding of what the nurse administering my vaccine told me could be limited, but i thought she told me that the AZ vaccine didn't prevent infection; something about the vaccine molecules being too big from entering the nasal cavity to prevent the infection from entering the body, whereas the other vaccines could prevent that. 
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    Masks work. Lockdown works . Vaccination works.  Look at u.k i will post a video from prof  tim spector.  Which explains where we are now because  of all 3 of the above.


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    https://youtu.be/3VE2_ZfL5g0



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    mrussel1 said:
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    Fucking rude.  
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  • Posts: 44,855
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    how the gop proved him wrong....


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    gvn2fly1421 said:
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    I believe it was you lost a cousin recently.  I was sorry to read that.  Was a gofundme or anything set up where my wife and I could donate? 
    Dude you need to stop with your bullshit argument and just go , most of us here have gotten vaccinated because we care about our loved ones, you’ve become pathetic! 
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    He s 12, he gets zero say lol.  My 17 year old daughter is another story.   
    Do I trust my ex?  Oh man where do I begin? ;)
    She’s a nurse practitioner I’d trust her more than you that’s for damn sure, plus I don’t trust anyone who puts ice cubes in Red vino! 
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    He s 12, he gets zero say lol.  My 17 year old daughter is another story.   
    Do I trust my ex?  Oh man where do I begin? ;)

    I didnt say trust your ex. I said trust her clinical experience and expertise. she IS a trained professional isnt she?
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J. 

    and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things. 
    None of these  vaccines  stops infection.  All are the  same in that sence. But they will stop illness  and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but some


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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

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    lastexitlondon said:
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    None of these  vaccines  stops infection.  All are the  same in that sence. But they will stop illness  and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but some
    I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate.  Not accurate?
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    oftenreading said:
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

    I'm holding out for a grand...
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    oftenreading said:
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    No, not true except for those with allergies to the components, but that can potentially be overcome by people choosing a different type of vaccine. A pretty small number of people are allergic to PEG, for instance, which is one of the components of the mRNA vaccines, but if you are then it should be okay to use AZ or Janssen. 

    People on all sorts of blood thinners and people with clotting disorders can still get vaccinated. They should let the person doing the vaccination know but it's not a contraindication.

    I can't find any other contraindications. There are some conditions for which we don't have much, if any, data, so some care providers are being cautious, but nothing else is an absolute contraindication that I'm aware of. 
    My mom on a blood thinner got vaccinated. We told the nurse, she said okay we'll apply more pressure, there was zero bleeding or bruising from both shots. 
  • St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,643
    oftenreading said:
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

    Kind of sad. Hey, if you want to stop wearing masks, do your part and get vaccinated. Maybe if enough people do it we can put masks behind us.
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    I'm way too preoccupied to find the source, but I think I heard on TV the other day that new infections are down 26% ????

    Evidence that the vaccinations are working???
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    mrussel1 said:
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    I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate.  Not accurate?
    As i understood it . The person can get the virus but the body has antibodies and neutralises it so you dont replicate enough to shed. I maybe wrong 


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    mrussel1 said:
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    I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate.  Not accurate?

    for the US , 1% of 100 million us vaccinated is still a number of people..
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    edited May 2021
    what dreams said:
    I'm way too preoccupied to find the source, but I think I heard on TV the other day that new infections are down 26% ????

    Evidence that the vaccinations are working???
    No that proves that masks and social distancing promote infection transfer.  Doi. 
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,884
    oftenreading said:
    Data suggests that a certain percentage of vaccine hesitant people would be swayed by a financial incentive or the opportunity to relax some restrictions, such as masks. 

    When the vaccine rollout started on some of the reserves not far from Winnipeg, they were incentivizing people by giving every vaccine shot recipient an entry for a big screen tv. 
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