#46 President Joe Biden

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

All I know is Joe Biden has never lost an election.  Trump only won one.  He sucks.  

Biden has never lost the popular vote either, Trump is 0-2.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2008_presidential_campaign

He’s lost an election before. And withdrew in the 1988 race after just a month or two.

Which one did he lose?

Primaries are not elections.

Don’t people vote in primaries? I did. How are they not elections?
its not a big deal, many politicians lose races in their career. But I don’t see how you can claim Biden is undefeated.

It is not an election -- look at a long list of past "winners" of primaries who either did not participate in the actual election or who did participate and lost...and the other way around.    Biden dropped out in January of 2008.  In 2020 Biden did not finish in the Top 3 of the primaries in Iowa nor NH - in fact, it was not until the Leap Day result from South Carolina that he started to make his move.

Nobody is elected to anything in a primary -- which means it is not an election.

It’s an election. You vote for your party’s nominee.
He dropped out because he was losing. That usually is how it goes. If you’re going to argue he didn’t lose because he dropped out, then I’d still say that’s a loss. It’s like “you can’t fire me, I quit!” You were still fired.

Keep yelling into the wind.  It is not an election. 

What did Pete or Bernie get for their "wins" in Iowa/NH this past cycle?

Nothing.

Because it is not an election. 

I’m not yelling. I’m quietly typing in my phone while I watch the morning news before leaving for work.
I really don’t understand this argument. Since someone didn’t win something that means it wasn’t an election? If you win a state in a primary, you get a nominee or delegate for your party. Bernie did. That’s like asking what did Trump get for winning Texas, nothing. So it’s not an election.
People vote. There’s a winner/nominee at the end. Everyone else lost. Bernie and Pete lost too. The primary is an election.

We disagree on this -- we know that some of the delegates don't even have to cast their vote for the person who finished first in their state's primary when the actual party elections happen at the conventions.  Pete withdrew himself from consideration before the actual vote at the convention so I do not see him as a loser.  

And in the general election, members of the electoral college don't even have to cast their vote for the person who earned the most votes in their state.

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

All I know is Joe Biden has never lost an election.  Trump only won one.  He sucks.  

Biden has never lost the popular vote either, Trump is 0-2.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2008_presidential_campaign

He’s lost an election before. And withdrew in the 1988 race after just a month or two.

Which one did he lose?

Primaries are not elections.

Don’t people vote in primaries? I did. How are they not elections?
its not a big deal, many politicians lose races in their career. But I don’t see how you can claim Biden is undefeated.

It is not an election -- look at a long list of past "winners" of primaries who either did not participate in the actual election or who did participate and lost...and the other way around.    Biden dropped out in January of 2008.  In 2020 Biden did not finish in the Top 3 of the primaries in Iowa nor NH - in fact, it was not until the Leap Day result from South Carolina that he started to make his move.

Nobody is elected to anything in a primary -- which means it is not an election.

It’s an election. You vote for your party’s nominee.
He dropped out because he was losing. That usually is how it goes. If you’re going to argue he didn’t lose because he dropped out, then I’d still say that’s a loss. It’s like “you can’t fire me, I quit!” You were still fired.

Keep yelling into the wind.  It is not an election. 

What did Pete or Bernie get for their "wins" in Iowa/NH this past cycle?

Nothing.

Because it is not an election. 

I’m not yelling. I’m quietly typing in my phone while I watch the morning news before leaving for work.
I really don’t understand this argument. Since someone didn’t win something that means it wasn’t an election? If you win a state in a primary, you get a nominee or delegate for your party. Bernie did. That’s like asking what did Trump get for winning Texas, nothing. So it’s not an election.
People vote. There’s a winner/nominee at the end. Everyone else lost. Bernie and Pete lost too. The primary is an election.

We disagree on this -- we know that some of the delegates don't even have to cast their vote for the person who finished first in their state's primary when the actual party elections happen at the conventions.  Pete withdrew himself from consideration before the actual vote at the convention so I do not see him as a loser.  

I can respect that and leave it that we disagree.  Primaries are weird with weird rules and each state is different. It’s all pretty dumb in my opinion how it works. I just always have, and probably always will, consider it as an election. More like election round 1 as someone else said.

Agree that the system is a mess.

gvn2fly1421 said:

Most popular President ever!!!!!!!1

https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1387831971959672840

train wrecks are also often "popular". who seriously gives a fuck about popularity except a bunch of redneck trumplicans that think tv coverage is what makes a great president. 

look at his favourability ratings, and all he's accomplished so far, and how little he's golfed on company time. that's what matters. 

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

why you people engage is beyond me.

Mace isn't a troll.. 

not sure if this was sarcasm or not. 

No sarcasm.  Do you feel like a troll?

No. But my wife always tells me the dumber the point I'm trying to make, the more I argue it. She's not wrong.  I didn't expect to debate if primaries are elections are not, I didn't realize that was not widely accepted. Plus the fact my kid actually ate his breakfast and got dressed on his own without being reminded 18 times meant that I had this extra time in the morning while I watched the news. It is a moot point and didn't want to come across as passionate over an irrelevant topic if I did. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1387903565532999690

so the guy loses his mask, makes a joke about it, and this represents what to you?

jesus christ I've lost my tv remote in between my ass cheeks and I'm still mentally fit as a fiddle. you guys keep trying to paint him as losing his mind or some shit and it didn't hurt him in the election one bit. if all you've got are these pathetic attempts, then it's going to be a long 8 years. 

Thats why I stopped watching TV nude.

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1387903565532999690

so the guy loses his mask, makes a joke about it, and this represents what to you?

jesus christ I've lost my tv remote in between my ass cheeks and I'm still mentally fit as a fiddle. you guys keep trying to paint him as losing his mind or some shit and it didn't hurt him in the election one bit. if all you've got are these pathetic attempts, then it's going to be a long 8 years. 

Thats why I stopped watching TV nude.

I stopped because I was finding orange Dorito dust in places it should not be found. 

josevolution said:

Why argue over this Biden is ten times the man over Covidiot, he’s lost more than most people could endure and yet still treats everyone with respect and professionalism always! In just 100 days he’s proven that the previous idiot didn’t know anything about governing at all, except golf 

Yes, I agree.  I don't know how he has suffered the losses he has, while maintaining such a positive view on life.  It's really a model of how to live your life.  

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics/cdc-mask-guidance-experts-debate/index.html

Good discussion points here