#46 President Joe Biden

cincybearcat

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who puts science in quotation marks, like it's the tooth fairy or something. you don't believe in science? does the magical box you are looking at right, allowing you to talk to anyone on the globe, now not exist?

Hugh, read it slow and let it sink in....  "It's common sense to know that the risks when you are outdoors....

...which we have been saying all along...

...IS EXTREMELY LOW"

And just a reminder of what the leader of the free world did yesterday...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

we've known this all along. there has never been mandates here with regards to wearing masks outdoors....UNLESS you are in a crowded space. like a trump presser at the rose garden, which was outdoors. remember that?

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/19/seeing-rose-garden-superspreader-convocation-as-a-never-event/

what biden did yesterday was symbolism, like has already been explained to you several times. if you choose to not understand what that means, that's on you. 

I hate to agree with them, but I kinda do.  Biden should be following the best scientific guidelines.  I understand why he is wearing a mask there...but I disagree with it.  They should be very clear on the current state and follow it specificially.

That said, I've take this pandemic very seriously.  And yet, I hardly ever wore a mask when I was outside.  Very rarely was I near anyone at all...and when I was it may have been for 4 seconds walking by on a trail.  The outside mask thing when not a lot of people and very limited time contact walking past someone was always pretty dumb.  But again, so was saying that masks don't help.  The CDC and everyone should have just stuck to the science from the beginning.  

what did biden do that appeared to be against those scientific guidelines? he did follow it specifically. he was wearing a mask before he made the announcement, then took it off after the announcement was made. I don't know how much more to the letter he could have followed the guidelines.

the announcer of guidelines, while obviously knowing prior to the general public, should follow the guidelines that public is aware of until they are also aware of the change. which he did. 

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

It raises awareness of mask wearing.  Wearing a mask outside with no one near doesn't hurt anything either but if it makes mask wearing more legit then it helps.

We all want to help right?  We have gone from an orange moron who got the vaccine in secret to a POTUS that took a shot on live TV.

F Me In The Brain

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

That is your perception - I disagree.  Mine is that it shows a leader who wants to put out a consistent image that wearing a mask is not something to be ashamed of, or to cry about like a little baby.

Also, perhaps he did not want to take it up or down based on his proximity to people.  Surely it is not harmful and can only help once he comes close to people?

Also, I choose to laugh at that idiotic tweeter and anyone that agrees with anything she has to say, or who shares tweets she makes trying to garner attention/likes/support/whatever.  Even looking past the lame jokes and calling Joe Biden a dipshit (when she has Trump stuff all over her page) if you just look at the tweets she makes you can see what a fool "she" is.  (Russian farm tweeter?)

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who puts science in quotation marks, like it's the tooth fairy or something. you don't believe in science? does the magical box you are looking at right, allowing you to talk to anyone on the globe, now not exist?

Hugh, read it slow and let it sink in....  "It's common sense to know that the risks when you are outdoors....

...which we have been saying all along...

...IS EXTREMELY LOW"

And just a reminder of what the leader of the free world did yesterday...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

we've known this all along. there has never been mandates here with regards to wearing masks outdoors....UNLESS you are in a crowded space. like a trump presser at the rose garden, which was outdoors. remember that?

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/19/seeing-rose-garden-superspreader-convocation-as-a-never-event/

what biden did yesterday was symbolism, like has already been explained to you several times. if you choose to not understand what that means, that's on you. 

I hate to agree with them, but I kinda do.  Biden should be following the best scientific guidelines.  I understand why he is wearing a mask there...but I disagree with it.  They should be very clear on the current state and follow it specificially.

That said, I've take this pandemic very seriously.  And yet, I hardly ever wore a mask when I was outside.  Very rarely was I near anyone at all...and when I was it may have been for 4 seconds walking by on a trail.  The outside mask thing when not a lot of people and very limited time contact walking past someone was always pretty dumb.  But again, so was saying that masks don't help.  The CDC and everyone should have just stuck to the science from the beginning.  

what did biden do that appeared to be against those scientific guidelines? he did follow it specifically. he was wearing a mask before he made the announcement, then took it off after the announcement was made. I don't know how much more to the letter he could have followed the guidelines.

the announcer of guidelines, while obviously knowing prior to the general public, should follow the guidelines that public is aware of until they are also aware of the change. which he did. 

You make a very good point on this specific situation   I concede!

I hope he is very purposeful as is everyone in his admin moving forward.  Cause it's what we need.  Clear guidance, and than walking the talk.

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

It raises awareness of mask wearing.  Wearing a mask outside with no one near doesn't hurt anything either but if it makes mask wearing more legit then it helps.

We all want to help right?  We have gone from an orange moron who got the vaccine in secret to a POTUS that took a shot on live TV.

For this instance, Hugh set me straight.  But on-going, no it is not ok for Biden to not follow the specific guidelines that he is asking the country to follow.  People will not trust the message.  It's like anything anywhere, leaders set the standard and their behavior must match that standard 100%.

I would argue that it does not get people to wear a mask more at this point, but it could get them to stop listening if it doesn't match the guidance.

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

It raises awareness of mask wearing.  Wearing a mask outside with no one near doesn't hurt anything either but if it makes mask wearing more legit then it helps.

We all want to help right?  We have gone from an orange moron who got the vaccine in secret to a POTUS that took a shot on live TV.

For this instance, Hugh set me straight.  But on-going, no it is not ok for Biden to not follow the specific guidelines that he is asking the country to follow.  People will not trust the message.  It's like anything anywhere, leaders set the standard and their behavior must match that standard 100%.

I would argue that it does not get people to wear a mask more at this point, but it could get them to stop listening if it doesn't match the guidance.

yeah, I'd agree with that for sure. 

gvn2fly1421

From today...  The guidance was yesterday...  Excuse now?

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1387795035102584832

HughFreakingDillon

gvn2fly1421 said:

From today...  The guidance was yesterday...  Excuse now?

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1387795035102584832

he's getting out of a car with other people in it (indoors) and into another mode of transportation with other people on it (you guessed it! indoors!). how hard is this to understand?

F Me In The Brain

I don't have an excuse, I agree with it.  Good leadership, good image, encourage people that there is nothing wrong with it and to stop being a bunch of whiners.  He also walked right past several secret service/military folks.  Should he also make sure to not wear a mask at that point?  What does it hurt to do that when it is additional protection for all involved?  Why are the military or secret service wearing them?

Perhaps what President Biden should have done was try to hold his wife's hand, only to see it slapped away.

Or, try to actually reach something near the ground.

Or, use 2 hands to pick a small item from the ground and in a nice gesture give it to the wife that so clearly doesn't want to hold his hand?

cincybearcat

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

That is your perception - I disagree.  Mine is that it shows a leader who wants to put out a consistent image that wearing a mask is not something to be ashamed of, or to cry about like a little baby.

Also, perhaps he did not want to take it up or down based on his proximity to people.  Surely it is not harmful and can only help once he comes close to people?

Also, I choose to laugh at that idiotic tweeter and anyone that agrees with anything she has to say, or who shares tweets she makes trying to garner attention/likes/support/whatever.  Even looking past the lame jokes and calling Joe Biden a dipshit (when she has Trump stuff all over her page) if you just look at the tweets she makes you can see what a fool "she" is.  (Russian farm tweeter?)

See it's not perception, its the scientific reality.  This is what I'm talking about.  No one should be going off perception.

Halifax2TheMax

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

That is your perception - I disagree.  Mine is that it shows a leader who wants to put out a consistent image that wearing a mask is not something to be ashamed of, or to cry about like a little baby.

Also, perhaps he did not want to take it up or down based on his proximity to people.  Surely it is not harmful and can only help once he comes close to people?

Also, I choose to laugh at that idiotic tweeter and anyone that agrees with anything she has to say, or who shares tweets she makes trying to garner attention/likes/support/whatever.  Even looking past the lame jokes and calling Joe Biden a dipshit (when she has Trump stuff all over her page) if you just look at the tweets she makes you can see what a fool "she" is.  (Russian farm tweeter?)

"Influencer."

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

That is your perception - I disagree.  Mine is that it shows a leader who wants to put out a consistent image that wearing a mask is not something to be ashamed of, or to cry about like a little baby.

Also, perhaps he did not want to take it up or down based on his proximity to people.  Surely it is not harmful and can only help once he comes close to people?

Also, I choose to laugh at that idiotic tweeter and anyone that agrees with anything she has to say, or who shares tweets she makes trying to garner attention/likes/support/whatever.  Even looking past the lame jokes and calling Joe Biden a dipshit (when she has Trump stuff all over her page) if you just look at the tweets she makes you can see what a fool "she" is.  (Russian farm tweeter?)

See it's not perception, its the scientific reality.  This is what I'm talking about.  No one should be going off perception.

the guidance isn't "don't wear a mask outside", it's "you don't have to wear a mask outside". scientific reality is that contracting the virus outdoors is low, not zero. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

From today...  The guidance was yesterday...  Excuse now?

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1387795035102584832

he's getting out of a car with other people in it (indoors) and into another mode of transportation with other people on it (you guessed it! indoors!). how hard is this to understand?

Yup, this.  With a driver in a car...wear a mask.  With a pilot and others in helicopter...wear a mask.  A short walk between...might as well keep the mask on...though you could take it off and put it back on if you really wanted to mess with it that much.

Merkin Baller

I wish i had so little to worry about that I could sit around crying about the president wearing a mask during a pandemic. 

F Me In The Brain

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

That is your perception - I disagree.  Mine is that it shows a leader who wants to put out a consistent image that wearing a mask is not something to be ashamed of, or to cry about like a little baby.

Also, perhaps he did not want to take it up or down based on his proximity to people.  Surely it is not harmful and can only help once he comes close to people?

Also, I choose to laugh at that idiotic tweeter and anyone that agrees with anything she has to say, or who shares tweets she makes trying to garner attention/likes/support/whatever.  Even looking past the lame jokes and calling Joe Biden a dipshit (when she has Trump stuff all over her page) if you just look at the tweets she makes you can see what a fool "she" is.  (Russian farm tweeter?)

See it's not perception, its the scientific reality.  This is what I'm talking about.  No one should be going off perception.

Disagree given where we are. 

You can support the idiot tweeter.  I can support the opposing view.

Halifax2TheMax

gvn2fly1421 said:

From today...  The guidance was yesterday...  Excuse now?

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1387795035102584832

Zero = very low.

mrussel1

Merkin Baller said:

I wish i had so little to worry about that I could sit around crying about the president wearing a mask during a pandemic. 

Exactly.. who fucking cares if someone wants to take extra precaution.  I'm just eye rolling this whole discussion. This used to be an informative thread. 

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

I wish i had so little to worry about that I could sit around crying about the president wearing a mask during a pandemic. 

welcome to fox news. 

cincybearcat

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gotta disagree.  Why not do more if you can and believe it will help?

I do agree you can't do less than you want others to do. 

Wearing a mask outside with no one near you isn't doing more.  How does it help?  

That is your perception - I disagree.  Mine is that it shows a leader who wants to put out a consistent image that wearing a mask is not something to be ashamed of, or to cry about like a little baby.

Also, perhaps he did not want to take it up or down based on his proximity to people.  Surely it is not harmful and can only help once he comes close to people?

Also, I choose to laugh at that idiotic tweeter and anyone that agrees with anything she has to say, or who shares tweets she makes trying to garner attention/likes/support/whatever.  Even looking past the lame jokes and calling Joe Biden a dipshit (when she has Trump stuff all over her page) if you just look at the tweets she makes you can see what a fool "she" is.  (Russian farm tweeter?)

See it's not perception, its the scientific reality.  This is what I'm talking about.  No one should be going off perception.

Disagree given where we are. 

You can support the idiot tweeter.  I can support the opposing view.

Ummm...but I'm not supporting a tweeter, I'm supporting the current scientific data and guidelines.  You are just one of those that will not be willing to follow the science out of the pandemic...all while probably pissed off at those that wouldn't follow it into the pandemic.