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  • dankind
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    It's unfortunate that so much is riding on this case, but it's not looking great.

    Chauvin jury to be told about 2019 body-cam video of police stopping Floyd
    By Washington Post Staff


    Editor’s note: The video in this story contains graphic material.
    MINNEAPOLIS — In a victory for the defense, the judge overseeing the murder trial of Derek Chauvin will allow the former police officer’s attorney to tell the jury about a 2019 encounter between George Floyd and Minneapolis police where they allege Floyd exhibited behavior similar to his actions in the 2020 incident in which he died.
    Hennepin County District Court Judge Peter A. Cahill had previously barred Chauvin’s defense team from mentioning Floyd’s May 6, 2019, arrest — an incident for which Floyd was never formally charged — describing it as “irrelevant” to the criminal case in which Chauvin is charged in Floyd’s death.
    [FAQ: What you need to know about the trial]
    But days into jury selection for Chauvin’s trial, Cahill reversed himself after defense attorney Eric Nelson argued that Floyd’s documented drug use and behavior toward police in the 2019 incident are relevant to his central argument that it was Floyd’s health problems and the level of drugs in his system that killed him, not the pressure from Chauvin’s knee on his neck during the encounter on May 25, 2020.
    Still, Cahill put strict limits on what the defense can say and show to the jury about the 2019 incident, which was captured on police body camera video. In a written ruling, the judge said he would allow Chauvin’s defense to talk only about Floyd’s physical condition at the scene and present a two-minute clip of video showing his arrest — a decision that prosecutors strongly opposed, saying it is an attempt to taint Floyd’s character in the minds of the jurors.
    The previous encounter occurred after Minneapolis police, acting on an informant’s tip, stopped a car in which Floyd was riding. Body camera footage filed as evidence in the case last fall shows Floyd did not immediately comply with police requests to put his hands on the dashboard and that he appeared to be swallowing pills. The officers on the scene responded aggressively — one pointed a gun and another brandished a stun gun — as they tried to get Floyd out of the car, prompting Floyd to begin crying and begging officers not to shoot him.
    Unlike in the 2020 incident — which ultimately ended with Floyd restrained on the ground — the 2019 arrest de-escalated quickly. Within moments, Floyd complied and was placed into a squad car without resistance. Later, while in custody, Floyd told officers he was addicted to painkillers and had swallowed as many as eight tablets of Percocet — a powerful prescription narcotic. Police called an ambulance, and emergency workers who arrived at the scene were so concerned about Floyd’s elevated blood pressure that they thought he was on the verge of having a heart attack, according to transcripts filed in evidence last fall.
    Nelson has described the 2019 and 2020 incidents as “remarkably similar” and has argued that the previous arrest is relevant because of newly discovered evidence in the Chauvin case — including fragments of chewed-up pills containing methamphetamine and Floyd’s DNA that were discovered in a January search of the squad car into which Chauvin and the other three officers at the scene had attempted to put Floyd.
    Chauvin’s attorney had sought to argue that Floyd’s similar emotional reaction to the police in the 2019 case showed he had a “modus operandi” when confronted by officers — but Cahill ruled that was not relevant. But he did agree with Nelson that the incident was relevant in that it offers proof of how Floyd’s body responded to drugs he admitted he had taken.
    Last summer, Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Andrew Baker formally declared Floyd’s death a homicide, listing “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression” as the cause of death. Baker later told the FBI that Floyd’s heart and lungs stopped “due to the combined effects of his health problems as well as the exertion and restraint involved in Floyd’s interaction with police before being on the ground” — a finding the defense says it will vigorously challenge.
    He walks that city will burn down! 
    Not just that city. It’ll be last summer only worse. Multiple cities will burn. 
    Unfortunately I agree & the GOP will say we told you so !
    GOP could say whatever they want but it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. 
    Unfortunately, for the 75 million or so Americans influenced by the GOP's white supremacist rhetoric, nothing remotely resembling "genius" applies.

    And if we continue to have a legal system that perpetuates white supremacy, then, yes, I would hope that those with a conscience and the wherewithal continue to attempt burn the whole fucking thing down!


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  • static111
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    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    josevolution said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    josevolution said:
    tbergs said:
    It's unfortunate that so much is riding on this case, but it's not looking great.

    Chauvin jury to be told about 2019 body-cam video of police stopping Floyd
    By Washington Post Staff


    Editor’s note: The video in this story contains graphic material.
    MINNEAPOLIS — In a victory for the defense, the judge overseeing the murder trial of Derek Chauvin will allow the former police officer’s attorney to tell the jury about a 2019 encounter between George Floyd and Minneapolis police where they allege Floyd exhibited behavior similar to his actions in the 2020 incident in which he died.
    Hennepin County District Court Judge Peter A. Cahill had previously barred Chauvin’s defense team from mentioning Floyd’s May 6, 2019, arrest — an incident for which Floyd was never formally charged — describing it as “irrelevant” to the criminal case in which Chauvin is charged in Floyd’s death.
    [FAQ: What you need to know about the trial]
    But days into jury selection for Chauvin’s trial, Cahill reversed himself after defense attorney Eric Nelson argued that Floyd’s documented drug use and behavior toward police in the 2019 incident are relevant to his central argument that it was Floyd’s health problems and the level of drugs in his system that killed him, not the pressure from Chauvin’s knee on his neck during the encounter on May 25, 2020.
    Still, Cahill put strict limits on what the defense can say and show to the jury about the 2019 incident, which was captured on police body camera video. In a written ruling, the judge said he would allow Chauvin’s defense to talk only about Floyd’s physical condition at the scene and present a two-minute clip of video showing his arrest — a decision that prosecutors strongly opposed, saying it is an attempt to taint Floyd’s character in the minds of the jurors.
    The previous encounter occurred after Minneapolis police, acting on an informant’s tip, stopped a car in which Floyd was riding. Body camera footage filed as evidence in the case last fall shows Floyd did not immediately comply with police requests to put his hands on the dashboard and that he appeared to be swallowing pills. The officers on the scene responded aggressively — one pointed a gun and another brandished a stun gun — as they tried to get Floyd out of the car, prompting Floyd to begin crying and begging officers not to shoot him.
    Unlike in the 2020 incident — which ultimately ended with Floyd restrained on the ground — the 2019 arrest de-escalated quickly. Within moments, Floyd complied and was placed into a squad car without resistance. Later, while in custody, Floyd told officers he was addicted to painkillers and had swallowed as many as eight tablets of Percocet — a powerful prescription narcotic. Police called an ambulance, and emergency workers who arrived at the scene were so concerned about Floyd’s elevated blood pressure that they thought he was on the verge of having a heart attack, according to transcripts filed in evidence last fall.
    Nelson has described the 2019 and 2020 incidents as “remarkably similar” and has argued that the previous arrest is relevant because of newly discovered evidence in the Chauvin case — including fragments of chewed-up pills containing methamphetamine and Floyd’s DNA that were discovered in a January search of the squad car into which Chauvin and the other three officers at the scene had attempted to put Floyd.
    Chauvin’s attorney had sought to argue that Floyd’s similar emotional reaction to the police in the 2019 case showed he had a “modus operandi” when confronted by officers — but Cahill ruled that was not relevant. But he did agree with Nelson that the incident was relevant in that it offers proof of how Floyd’s body responded to drugs he admitted he had taken.
    Last summer, Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Andrew Baker formally declared Floyd’s death a homicide, listing “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression” as the cause of death. Baker later told the FBI that Floyd’s heart and lungs stopped “due to the combined effects of his health problems as well as the exertion and restraint involved in Floyd’s interaction with police before being on the ground” — a finding the defense says it will vigorously challenge.
    He walks that city will burn down! 
    Not just that city. It’ll be last summer only worse. Multiple cities will burn. 
    Unfortunately I agree & the GOP will say we told you so !
    GOP could say whatever they want but it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. 
    Unfortunately, for the 75 million or so Americans influenced by the GOP's white supremacist rhetoric, nothing remotely resembling "genius" applies.

    And if we continue to have a legal system that perpetuates white supremacy, then, yes, I would hope that those with a conscience and the wherewithal continue to attempt burn the whole fucking thing down!


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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,204
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited March 2021
    nicknyr15 said:
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
    I would guess that most here aren’t affected by "these unfortunate situations" that can lead a person to burn down, loot, and riot. 

    And that's why you/they can't understand.

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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,204
    edited March 2021
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
    I would guess that most here aren’t affected by "these unfortunate situations" that can lead a person to burn down, loot, and riot. 

    And that's why you/they can't understand.

    https://youtu.be/STSkGSTMr9Y
    Cool. That’s your opinion. I think it’s bullshit. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t think anyone has the right to destroy or steal property that doesn’t belong to them under any circumstances 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Can we all at least agree that three rights make a left?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    dankind said:
    Can we all at least agree that three rights make a left?
    Thats assuming they're all 90 degree rights.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    mace1229 said:
    dankind said:
    Can we all at least agree that three rights make a left?
    Thats assuming they're all 90 degree rights.
    Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited March 2021
    nicknyr15 said:
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
    I would guess that most here aren’t affected by "these unfortunate situations" that can lead a person to burn down, loot, and riot. 

    And that's why you/they can't understand.

    https://youtu.be/STSkGSTMr9Y
    Cool. That’s your opinion. I think it’s bullshit. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t think anyone has the right to destroy or steal property that doesn’t belong to them under any circumstances 
    Yeah, because peaceful protests are always work and it’s always the protestors that instigate the rioting.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,204
    edited March 2021
    dankind said:
    Can we all at least agree that three rights make a left?
    I agree with this for sure. And thank you for lightening the mood 
    Post edited by nicknyr15 on
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,204
    DewieCox said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
    I would guess that most here aren’t affected by "these unfortunate situations" that can lead a person to burn down, loot, and riot. 

    And that's why you/they can't understand.

    https://youtu.be/STSkGSTMr9Y
    Cool. That’s your opinion. I think it’s bullshit. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t think anyone has the right to destroy or steal property that doesn’t belong to them under any circumstances 
    Yeah, because peaceful protests are always work and it’s always the protestors that instigate the rioting.
    Where’s the proof that violent looting and destroying businesses that have nothing to do with the situation work? If you want to say that cops instigate the rioting 100% of the time, cool. Do they also instigate the looting? Cmon. 
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I’m not saying it’s the best solution or the preferable route but I think beating people over the head with “look how fucked up our country is” is sure as hell going to get a lot farther than listening to a  bunch of people saying “I’m not racist, I have a black friend” or “he should’ve complied”

    People are always going to take advantage of a combustible situation. 
  • mickeyrat
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    nicknyr15 said:
    DewieCox said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
    I would guess that most here aren’t affected by "these unfortunate situations" that can lead a person to burn down, loot, and riot. 

    And that's why you/they can't understand.

    https://youtu.be/STSkGSTMr9Y
    Cool. That’s your opinion. I think it’s bullshit. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t think anyone has the right to destroy or steal property that doesn’t belong to them under any circumstances 
    Yeah, because peaceful protests are always work and it’s always the protestors that instigate the rioting.
    Where’s the proof that violent looting and destroying businesses that have nothing to do with the situation work? If you want to say that cops instigate the rioting 100% of the time, cool. Do they also instigate the looting? Cmon. 
    the guy that vandalized that auto zone and started the violence was not BLM. if i remember correctly he was an off duty cop or some sort for responder dressed like BLM protester.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    DewieCox said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Are you literally saying burn it down? I just can’t understand that. I guess most here aren’t affected by the actual burning down and looting and rioting that follow these unfortunate situations. 
    I would guess that most here aren’t affected by "these unfortunate situations" that can lead a person to burn down, loot, and riot. 

    And that's why you/they can't understand.

    https://youtu.be/STSkGSTMr9Y
    Cool. That’s your opinion. I think it’s bullshit. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t think anyone has the right to destroy or steal property that doesn’t belong to them under any circumstances 
    Yeah, because peaceful protests are always work and it’s always the protestors that instigate the rioting.
    Where’s the proof that violent looting and destroying businesses that have nothing to do with the situation work? If you want to say that cops instigate the rioting 100% of the time, cool. Do they also instigate the looting? Cmon. 
    the guy that vandalized that auto zone and started the violence was not BLM. if i remember correctly he was an off duty cop or some sort for responder dressed like BLM protester.
    my bad. he was a white supremacist dressed as BLM protestor. difficult to keep all of these events straight in my memory. sorry for the false info

    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/28/896515022/minneapolis-police-reportedly-identify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What does anyone here suggest the soon to be disenfranchised black communities of Georgia do? Go out and vote?
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    And damn all those rioting and looting black protestors.

    Umbrella Man: Minneapolis police link suspect to white supremacists - BBC News
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What does anyone here suggest the soon to be disenfranchised black communities of Georgia do? Go out and vote?
    give them water while on line. because fuck that racist ass new law.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited March 2021
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What does anyone here suggest the soon to be disenfranchised black communities of Georgia do? Go out and vote?
    give them water while on line. because fuck that racist ass new law.
    Florida is actually trying to ban that now, too!

    Hate minds think alike!

    Edited to add link: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/545410-florida-lawmakers-weigh-bill-banning-handing-out-food-water-within-150
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  • nicknyr15
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And damn all those rioting and looting black protestors.

    Umbrella Man: Minneapolis police link suspect to white supremacists - BBC News
    I didn’t say anything about black or white. With you it’s always a race competition of who acts shittier. For me a shit person is a shit person. 
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