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Merkin Baller · January 2021

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

AZ GOP censured Gov Greg Ducey for NOT trying to switch the state electoral votes to trump.

The party of law & order, has censured one of their own for NOT trying to rig the election.

Good stuff.

These state parties are going off the deep end. They are ceding the states for the long term.

That's my hope... I was reading this morning that the GOP had a lot of people leave the party since 1/6, which was nice to see. **

I'm praying common sense prevails & these lunatics are pushed to the fringe.

**I'm not of the mindset that a single party in power is a good thing, I'm not a democrat, I'm independent... with that being said, the direction the state GOPs of OR, TX & AZ are headed is bat shit crazy, and I hope sensible people push back.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

JeBurkhardt · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2021

I love the smell of repubs eating their own in the morning.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

mickeyrat · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

a wall, a hood, 5 rifles.....

tbergs · January 2021

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

a wall, a hood, 5 rifles.....

Yeah, someone should remind these idiots what would have happened to them 200 years ago.

JeBurkhardt · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

You are right, but as unlikely as it sounds, it is going to have to be done internally in the GOP. They are going to have to try to appeal to those who will listen, that "owning the libs" isn't as important as having a country at peace and productive. Many will resist, and the creation of some short lived "Patriot Party" might actually happen. Once a couple of election cycles happen, and the reality of two essentially groups fighting for conservative influence costs them dearly in elections, I think you will see many turn away from the extremists. At least I hope so. The short term will be rough, but hopefully in the long term we can see some progress.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2021

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

You are right, but as unlikely as it sounds, it is going to have to be done internally in the GOP. They are going to have to try to appeal to those who will listen, that "owning the libs" isn't as important as having a country at peace and productive. Many will resist, and the creation of some short lived "Patriot Party" might actually happen. Once a couple of election cycles happen, and the reality of two essentially groups fighting for conservative influence costs them dearly in elections, I think you will see many turn away from the extremists. At least I hope so. The short term will be rough, but hopefully in the long term we can see some progress.

Too far gone.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

You are right, but as unlikely as it sounds, it is going to have to be done internally in the GOP. They are going to have to try to appeal to those who will listen, that "owning the libs" isn't as important as having a country at peace and productive. Many will resist, and the creation of some short lived "Patriot Party" might actually happen. Once a couple of election cycles happen, and the reality of two essentially groups fighting for conservative influence costs them dearly in elections, I think you will see many turn away from the extremists. At least I hope so. The short term will be rough, but hopefully in the long term we can see some progress.

I'm well aware... there's no path forward for this country if the GOP doesn't come clean about The Big Lie regarding the election.

Nothing short of a complete mea culpa including apologies will suffice, and I think I stand a better chance of winning the lottery than we do of seeing this happen.

JeBurkhardt · January 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

You are right, but as unlikely as it sounds, it is going to have to be done internally in the GOP. They are going to have to try to appeal to those who will listen, that "owning the libs" isn't as important as having a country at peace and productive. Many will resist, and the creation of some short lived "Patriot Party" might actually happen. Once a couple of election cycles happen, and the reality of two essentially groups fighting for conservative influence costs them dearly in elections, I think you will see many turn away from the extremists. At least I hope so. The short term will be rough, but hopefully in the long term we can see some progress.

Too far gone.

Some for sure, but I suspect once the cult of personality that is Trump starts to fade, some will see clearer. The key is him no longer being a valid candidate. There is no one in the GOP, including his family, that I think has the ability to enthrall people into following mindlessly the way we have seen.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

JeBurkhardt said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

You are right, but as unlikely as it sounds, it is going to have to be done internally in the GOP. They are going to have to try to appeal to those who will listen, that "owning the libs" isn't as important as having a country at peace and productive. Many will resist, and the creation of some short lived "Patriot Party" might actually happen. Once a couple of election cycles happen, and the reality of two essentially groups fighting for conservative influence costs them dearly in elections, I think you will see many turn away from the extremists. At least I hope so. The short term will be rough, but hopefully in the long term we can see some progress.

Too far gone.

Some for sure, but I suspect once the cult of personality that is Trump starts to fade, some will see clearer. The key is him no longer being a valid candidate. There is no one in the GOP, including his family, that I think has the ability to enthrall people into following mindlessly the way we have seen.

This is my hope also, the change in the GOP has to come from within.

mrussel1 · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

Who said the Founding Fathers did not have wonderful foresight. We should celebrate it.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

Who said the Founding Fathers did not have wonderful foresight. We should celebrate it.

The Founding Fathers of cancel culture according to Matt Rick Gaetz.

This is the dumbest time to be alive.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

You are right, but as unlikely as it sounds, it is going to have to be done internally in the GOP. They are going to have to try to appeal to those who will listen, that "owning the libs" isn't as important as having a country at peace and productive. Many will resist, and the creation of some short lived "Patriot Party" might actually happen. Once a couple of election cycles happen, and the reality of two essentially groups fighting for conservative influence costs them dearly in elections, I think you will see many turn away from the extremists. At least I hope so. The short term will be rough, but hopefully in the long term we can see some progress.

Too far gone.

Some for sure, but I suspect once the cult of personality that is Trump starts to fade, some will see clearer. The key is him no longer being a valid candidate. There is no one in the GOP, including his family, that I think has the ability to enthrall people into following mindlessly the way we have seen.

This is my hope also, the change in the GOP has to come from within.

It can't and it won't. They've gerrymandered themselves into districts full of Q cultists, detached from any kind of reality. Its going to take a few more election cycles of red states, at the least, turning purple and more dem seats in the senate. Foregoing that, QAnon adherents will continue to be elected, at all levels. They're all in as they have no alternative policy to address the real pressing issues of the day, except god, guns and freedumb. And look where that's gotten us. President Biden comes out with an EO for the federal government to buy American and its immediately dismissed as contributing to the budget deficit.

Lerxst1992 · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

static111 · January 2021

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

I got rid of them before it got that far because I knew they were irredeemable.

static111 · January 2021

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

We have to leave them behind and leave a pathway to catch up. They will claw and kick and scream to keep any forward progress from happening. They are too far gone. We need to get done what we can to move forward at all costs, because in two years this will all be a memory and the GOP like it does every time, will unite to own the libs and elect a new handful of assholes that will make it even harder to get things done.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

mrussel1 · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

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