2020 Fall North American rumour thread

HailHailVitalogy · January 2021

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/dr-anthony-fauci-concert-venues-reopen-fall-2021/?fbclid=IwAR17Ec6KigRZodQQLbaj5o753KsDxQ41Y4CzCMpJP_zakE2WsIXDnkobXGM

demetrios · January 2021

PJNB said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anita-anand-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-1.5867870

Procurement Minister Anita Anand says Canada doesn't need to approve additional vaccine candidates to meet its goal of inoculating everyone who wants a COVID-19 shot by September and that its target could be reached ahead of schedule.
Canada gave the green light to Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's messenger RNA vaccines last month, but independent regulators are still reviewing other candidates, such as the AstraZeneca-Oxford product.
"Prior to Christmas ... we exercised 20 million options of Moderna. So that allows us to have 40 million doses of Moderna now in addition to our 20 million Pfizer doses," Anand said on Sunday in an interview on Rosemary Barton Live. "That allows us to hit about 30 million Canadians."
Both vaccines must be administered twice.
Under the contracts it has signed, Ottawa can still receive up to 56 million more doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Anand told CBC Chief Political Correspondent Rosemary Barton that discussions are ongoing to exercise that option.
"We will be on track, without doubt, to ensure inoculations for all Canadians who want it by the end of September, if not sooner," she said. "That is the goal that I am pursuing every single day, moving up that end of September timeline so that we can see ourselves through to the other side of this pandemic as quickly as possible."

Bring on the fall Canadian tour.

Let us all hope!

PJNB · January 2021

demetrios said:

PJNB said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anita-anand-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-1.5867870

Procurement Minister Anita Anand says Canada doesn't need to approve additional vaccine candidates to meet its goal of inoculating everyone who wants a COVID-19 shot by September and that its target could be reached ahead of schedule.
Canada gave the green light to Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's messenger RNA vaccines last month, but independent regulators are still reviewing other candidates, such as the AstraZeneca-Oxford product.
"Prior to Christmas ... we exercised 20 million options of Moderna. So that allows us to have 40 million doses of Moderna now in addition to our 20 million Pfizer doses," Anand said on Sunday in an interview on Rosemary Barton Live. "That allows us to hit about 30 million Canadians."
Both vaccines must be administered twice.
Under the contracts it has signed, Ottawa can still receive up to 56 million more doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Anand told CBC Chief Political Correspondent Rosemary Barton that discussions are ongoing to exercise that option.
"We will be on track, without doubt, to ensure inoculations for all Canadians who want it by the end of September, if not sooner," she said. "That is the goal that I am pursuing every single day, moving up that end of September timeline so that we can see ourselves through to the other side of this pandemic as quickly as possible."

Bring on the fall Canadian tour.

Let us all hope!

I am really hoping right now Canada in November are the first shows of this tour. Cross Canada tour then the states in the spring 2022/Europe summer 2022/States again in the fall 2022. Australia and SA in 2023. That is the best case scenario right now I think.

Lost In Ohio · January 2021

The world has to be safe before they travel. Even if it's just 15 shows in the USA, those are still super-spreader events with a potential to spread COVID globally.

They won't do anything until the world is safe...and I'd like to think people understand that, but I'm not sure everyone does.

There is a totally unconfirmed rumor that Europe won't happen this year.

I can see small, local clubs/bars definitely doing stuff this year...stuff like 1000-2000 capacity and bands that don't have traveling fans. Bigger stuff? It's good news that NBA/NHL arenas are going to have fans soon, but those are a far cry from sold-out shows with fans who travel all over the world.

And as far as testing goes? How does anyone know that someone will stay entirely isolated after receiving mutiple tests? They'd have to stay at home and the rest of their family would also have to stay at home. Nobody in or out.

Next-day edit:
Maybe not totally unconfirmed:
https://www.pearljamonline.it/en/pearl-jam-will-postpone-their-euro-tour-2021/

PJNB · January 2021

Lost In Ohio said:

The world has to be safe before they travel. Even if it's just 15 shows in the USA, those are still super-spreader events with a potential to spread COVID globally.

They won't do anything until the world is safe...and I'd like to think people understand that, but I'm not sure everyone does.

There is a totally unconfirmed rumor that Europe won't happen this year.

I can see small, local clubs/bars definitely doing stuff this year...stuff like 1000-2000 capacity and bands that don't have traveling fans. Bigger stuff? It's good news that NBA/NHL arenas are going to have fans soon, but those are a far cry from sold-out shows with fans who travel all over the world.

And as far as testing goes? How does anyone know that someone will stay entirely isolated after receiving mutiple tests? They'd have to stay at home and the rest of their family would also have to stay at home. Nobody in or out.

Next-day edit:
Maybe not totally unconfirmed:
https://www.pearljamonline.it/en/pearl-jam-will-postpone-their-euro-tour-2021/

If we hit a spot this fall, which I think we will, that everyone who wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated what then? How can we do better than that? What are we waiting for at that point to move ahead with normalcy if the hospitals are stabilized and everyone that is in the high risk has been taken care of?

Fauci thinks that Bidens first 100 days there can be 100 million vaccinations. That is 50 Million people vaccinated many being the most vulnerable. This summer it will speed up even more. At that point when you include kids and certain adults with conditions that will not allow them to get the vaccine this is pretty close to as good as we are going to get. I honestly will be surprised if the US is even able to get to half of its population vaccinated when you take those groups as well as anitvaxxers into the equation. I ask again then what?

Peoples fears and conditioning from this virus and lockdowns is real but at some point they need to either let go of those fears and return to normalcy or let it consume them and take over their lives.

JeBurkhardt · January 2021

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The world has to be safe before they travel. Even if it's just 15 shows in the USA, those are still super-spreader events with a potential to spread COVID globally.

They won't do anything until the world is safe...and I'd like to think people understand that, but I'm not sure everyone does.

There is a totally unconfirmed rumor that Europe won't happen this year.

I can see small, local clubs/bars definitely doing stuff this year...stuff like 1000-2000 capacity and bands that don't have traveling fans. Bigger stuff? It's good news that NBA/NHL arenas are going to have fans soon, but those are a far cry from sold-out shows with fans who travel all over the world.

And as far as testing goes? How does anyone know that someone will stay entirely isolated after receiving mutiple tests? They'd have to stay at home and the rest of their family would also have to stay at home. Nobody in or out.

Next-day edit:
Maybe not totally unconfirmed:
https://www.pearljamonline.it/en/pearl-jam-will-postpone-their-euro-tour-2021/

If we hit a spot this fall, which I think we will, that everyone who wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated what then? How can we do better than that? What are we waiting for at that point to move ahead with normalcy if the hospitals are stabilized and everyone that is in the high risk has been taken care of?

Fauci thinks that Bidens first 100 days there can be 100 million vaccinations. That is 50 Million people vaccinated many being the most vulnerable. This summer it will speed up even more. At that point when you include kids and certain adults with conditions that will not allow them to get the vaccine this is pretty close to as good as we are going to get. I honestly will be surprised if the US is even able to get to half of its population vaccinated when you take those groups as well as anitvaxxers into the equation. I ask again then what?

Peoples fears and conditioning from this virus and lockdowns is real but at some point they need to either let go of those fears and return to normalcy or let it consume them and take over their lives.

I agree. The correctional facility I work at made the vaccine available to all of our staff last Saturday. Only 35% got it. If that is indicative of the rest of the nation, then at what point do we have to consider moving forward without true herd immunity? The current situation can't be kept indefinitely.

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan · January 2021

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The world has to be safe before they travel. Even if it's just 15 shows in the USA, those are still super-spreader events with a potential to spread COVID globally.

They won't do anything until the world is safe...and I'd like to think people understand that, but I'm not sure everyone does.

There is a totally unconfirmed rumor that Europe won't happen this year.

I can see small, local clubs/bars definitely doing stuff this year...stuff like 1000-2000 capacity and bands that don't have traveling fans. Bigger stuff? It's good news that NBA/NHL arenas are going to have fans soon, but those are a far cry from sold-out shows with fans who travel all over the world.

And as far as testing goes? How does anyone know that someone will stay entirely isolated after receiving mutiple tests? They'd have to stay at home and the rest of their family would also have to stay at home. Nobody in or out.

Next-day edit:
Maybe not totally unconfirmed:
https://www.pearljamonline.it/en/pearl-jam-will-postpone-their-euro-tour-2021/

If we hit a spot this fall, which I think we will, that everyone who wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated what then? How can we do better than that? What are we waiting for at that point to move ahead with normalcy if the hospitals are stabilized and everyone that is in the high risk has been taken care of?

Fauci thinks that Bidens first 100 days there can be 100 million vaccinations. That is 50 Million people vaccinated many being the most vulnerable. This summer it will speed up even more. At that point when you include kids and certain adults with conditions that will not allow them to get the vaccine this is pretty close to as good as we are going to get. I honestly will be surprised if the US is even able to get to half of its population vaccinated when you take those groups as well as anitvaxxers into the equation. I ask again then what?

Peoples fears and conditioning from this virus and lockdowns is real but at some point they need to either let go of those fears and return to normalcy or let it consume them and take over their lives.

Vaccines are only 1 part of this though. Think about how many people travel to concerts. Each venue and artist will have to establish rules and a baseline for who can attend. That becomes a slippery slope and to me that is going to take a lot of time to figure out to avoid any liability issues that may come up

PJNB · January 2021

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The world has to be safe before they travel. Even if it's just 15 shows in the USA, those are still super-spreader events with a potential to spread COVID globally.

They won't do anything until the world is safe...and I'd like to think people understand that, but I'm not sure everyone does.

There is a totally unconfirmed rumor that Europe won't happen this year.

I can see small, local clubs/bars definitely doing stuff this year...stuff like 1000-2000 capacity and bands that don't have traveling fans. Bigger stuff? It's good news that NBA/NHL arenas are going to have fans soon, but those are a far cry from sold-out shows with fans who travel all over the world.

And as far as testing goes? How does anyone know that someone will stay entirely isolated after receiving mutiple tests? They'd have to stay at home and the rest of their family would also have to stay at home. Nobody in or out.

Next-day edit:
Maybe not totally unconfirmed:
https://www.pearljamonline.it/en/pearl-jam-will-postpone-their-euro-tour-2021/

If we hit a spot this fall, which I think we will, that everyone who wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated what then? How can we do better than that? What are we waiting for at that point to move ahead with normalcy if the hospitals are stabilized and everyone that is in the high risk has been taken care of?

Fauci thinks that Bidens first 100 days there can be 100 million vaccinations. That is 50 Million people vaccinated many being the most vulnerable. This summer it will speed up even more. At that point when you include kids and certain adults with conditions that will not allow them to get the vaccine this is pretty close to as good as we are going to get. I honestly will be surprised if the US is even able to get to half of its population vaccinated when you take those groups as well as anitvaxxers into the equation. I ask again then what?

Peoples fears and conditioning from this virus and lockdowns is real but at some point they need to either let go of those fears and return to normalcy or let it consume them and take over their lives.

Vaccines are only 1 part of this though. Think about how many people travel to concerts. Each venue and artist will have to establish rules and a baseline for who can attend. That becomes a slippery slope and to me that is going to take a lot of time to figure out to avoid any liability issues that may come up

It maybe only 1 part of this but it is "the" part that matters. There will be no rules or baseline on who can and cannot attend a show. That is not where we are going to be heading with regards to Pearl Jam concerts.

If the nation that is hosting the concert says they have vaccinated every willing person that they can then you can not get any better than that as far as I am concerned aside from a mandatory vaccination program which we are not heading to. After that their is no liability issues for anyone other than those that refused the vaccine which lies on themselves. If you factor in others travelling in from other countries that is up to the government to allow or not allow. If we are able to have concerts again then we will have open borders again with it so it will be a non issue.

Lost In Ohio · January 2021

As said, vaccines play one part in this.

But if anyone is overly optimistic...

Someone posted the new 2021 analog members shirt and the comparison to the Bonnaroo logo. There was a PJ hoodie in 2016 with a logo, not entirely dissimilar to the 2021 shirt...

Pearl Jam also did Bonnaroo in 2016, right?

I'm just saying.

Bonnaroo is currently scheduled for September 2-5.

tdawe · January 2021

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The world has to be safe before they travel. Even if it's just 15 shows in the USA, those are still super-spreader events with a potential to spread COVID globally.

They won't do anything until the world is safe...and I'd like to think people understand that, but I'm not sure everyone does.

There is a totally unconfirmed rumor that Europe won't happen this year.

I can see small, local clubs/bars definitely doing stuff this year...stuff like 1000-2000 capacity and bands that don't have traveling fans. Bigger stuff? It's good news that NBA/NHL arenas are going to have fans soon, but those are a far cry from sold-out shows with fans who travel all over the world.

And as far as testing goes? How does anyone know that someone will stay entirely isolated after receiving mutiple tests? They'd have to stay at home and the rest of their family would also have to stay at home. Nobody in or out.

Next-day edit:
Maybe not totally unconfirmed:
https://www.pearljamonline.it/en/pearl-jam-will-postpone-their-euro-tour-2021/

If we hit a spot this fall, which I think we will, that everyone who wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated what then? How can we do better than that? What are we waiting for at that point to move ahead with normalcy if the hospitals are stabilized and everyone that is in the high risk has been taken care of?

Fauci thinks that Bidens first 100 days there can be 100 million vaccinations. That is 50 Million people vaccinated many being the most vulnerable. This summer it will speed up even more. At that point when you include kids and certain adults with conditions that will not allow them to get the vaccine this is pretty close to as good as we are going to get. I honestly will be surprised if the US is even able to get to half of its population vaccinated when you take those groups as well as anitvaxxers into the equation. I ask again then what?

Peoples fears and conditioning from this virus and lockdowns is real but at some point they need to either let go of those fears and return to normalcy or let it consume them and take over their lives.

Vaccines are only 1 part of this though. Think about how many people travel to concerts. Each venue and artist will have to establish rules and a baseline for who can attend. That becomes a slippery slope and to me that is going to take a lot of time to figure out to avoid any liability issues that may come up

I’m not sure that’s true - right now it’s not really up to venues and artists (since mass gatherings are prohibited by the states/municipalities), and I don’t think that’s going to change until the spread of the virus is under control (with the vaccination program probably being the biggest factor in getting us there). I don’t think you’re going to see a situation where venues and artists are left to make decisions for themselves before this thing is fully stomped out.

JojoRice · January 2021

Lost In Ohio said:

As said, vaccines play one part in this.

But if anyone is overly optimistic...

Someone posted the new 2021 analog members shirt and the comparison to the Bonnaroo logo. There was a PJ hoodie in 2016 with a logo, not entirely dissimilar to the 2021 shirt...

Pearl Jam also did Bonnaroo in 2016, right?

I'm just saying.

Bonnaroo is currently scheduled for September 2-5.

Interesting thought but I doubt they play Bonnaroo with the Nashville show on the postponed list.

Lost In Ohio · January 2021

JojoRice said:

Lost In Ohio said:

As said, vaccines play one part in this.

But if anyone is overly optimistic...

Someone posted the new 2021 analog members shirt and the comparison to the Bonnaroo logo. There was a PJ hoodie in 2016 with a logo, not entirely dissimilar to the 2021 shirt...

Pearl Jam also did Bonnaroo in 2016, right?

I'm just saying.

Bonnaroo is currently scheduled for September 2-5.

Interesting thought but I doubt they play Bonnaroo with the Nashville show on the postponed list.

Ohhh yeah. Good point.

They had to move that one show in 2016 due to it being too close to Bonnaroo.

The reasonable option would be to refund Nashville and give some sort of priority to those fans for Bonnaroo.

But the Bonnaroo thing is probably a coincidence.

Jumb0 · January 2021

Lost In Ohio said:

The reasonable option would be to refund Nashville and give some sort of priority to those fans for Bonnaroo.

F that. I'm not going to Bonnaroo

JBob87 · January 2021

Jumb0 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The reasonable option would be to refund Nashville and give some sort of priority to those fans for Bonnaroo.

F that. I'm not going to Bonnaroo

Agreed...swapping Bridgestone for Roo after all this time would be a huge kick in the nuts

Ray J. T. · January 2021

JBob87 said:

Jumb0 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The reasonable option would be to refund Nashville and give some sort of priority to those fans for Bonnaroo.

F that. I'm not going to Bonnaroo

Agreed...swapping Bridgestone for Roo after all this time would be a huge kick in the nuts

Agreed as well. Still looking forward to Nashville whenever that may be.

drakeheuer14 · January 2021

Ray J. T. said:

JBob87 said:

Jumb0 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The reasonable option would be to refund Nashville and give some sort of priority to those fans for Bonnaroo.

F that. I'm not going to Bonnaroo

Agreed...swapping Bridgestone for Roo after all this time would be a huge kick in the nuts

Agreed as well. Still looking forward to Nashville whenever that may be.

tdawe · January 2021

Ray J. T. said:

JBob87 said:

Jumb0 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

The reasonable option would be to refund Nashville and give some sort of priority to those fans for Bonnaroo.

F that. I'm not going to Bonnaroo

Agreed...swapping Bridgestone for Roo after all this time would be a huge kick in the nuts

Agreed as well. Still looking forward to Nashville whenever that may be.

I’m quietly hoping that it gets rescheduled for a weekend (and that tickets are somehow obtainable). Nashville has been on my list of cities to travel to for a show.

Weston1283 · January 2021

Tampa and the NFL are allowing 22,000 for the super bowl in a few weeks

7,500 of them will be fully vaccinated Heath care workers

If we can do this in February, why can’t we do similar things in October?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/us/super-bowl-fans-spt/index.html

Ryan · January 2021

Most bands aren’t going to play reduced capacity shows. It’s going to cost a small fortune for extra safety measures and insurance right now.
For the NFL, tv is their main revenue source so they’re making money, fans or not. I’m hoping sports fall 2021 can have fans and ramp up to full capacity. In Canada not everyone will be vaccinated until end of September and then it takes two weeks to have immunity. With how safe and cautious Pearl Jam is, they’re not going to be the first band back out there. I’d rather PJ just wait until first part of 2022 when most people will have had the vaccine.

On top of it not making sense financially for bands to play reduced capacity I think it would be lame being in a half full arena.
There was a good interview with Trey from Phish on Pollstar a few weeks ago. He said they’re not into the streaming or reduced capacity shows. With band members living in different states they’d have to quarantine for two weeks before doing a streaming show, and then quarantine upon going home. He said it just seemed like too big of a hassle and they want their first experience back after rehearsals to be in front of a full venue.

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan · January 2021

Weston1283 said:

Tampa and the NFL are allowing 22,000 for the super bowl in a few weeks

7,500 of them will be fully vaccinated Heath care workers

If we can do this in February, why can’t we do similar things in October?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/us/super-bowl-fans-spt/index.html

80,000 seat stadium vs 18000 seat arenas. Plus 1/3 of the ppl of the 22000 will have been guaranteed vaccinated

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