2020 Fall North American rumour thread

josevolution

CO278952 said:

Well the Kentucky Derby has a packed crowd. Let’s do this!

Yeah I thought the same!

darthvedder

CO278952 said:

Well the Kentucky Derby has a packed crowd. Let’s do this!

So did the NFL Draft.

Johnny Abruzzo

darthvedder said:

CO278952 said:

Well the Kentucky Derby has a packed crowd. Let’s do this!

So did the NFL Draft.

NFL Draft claimed the fans were vaccinated. I think KY Derby just said "the hell with it!".

JojoRice

Atlanta Braves are going 100% capacity starting this weekend.  Bring on the shows!

D-Rod

sounds like by July 1st most ball parks will be at 100 percent capacity. 

3days

I feel like science should be dictating this... not desire. 

Nothing wrong with rooting and hoping for what we want, however, I personally respect artists and businesses that aren't rushing things. It ain't an easy decision! They're weighing the livelihood of themselves, their crews, and business partners versus overall public safety. 

To my understanding, mass gatherings (outdoor, masked, or otherwise) aren't currently recommended by the CDC. Hopefully we'll get there by Fall, but to assume we will is definitely a gamble.

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

Johnny Abruzzo

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

lastexit78

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

If waiting on the unvaccinated to see the light is the measure we use to get back to live shows go ahead and consider the most recent show you attended your last. Seriously, just not gonna happen. If the game plan is to protect those who refuse protection by continuing with restrictions be prepared for things to get really ugly in this country by late summer. Best of luck to those who simply say “follow the science” as well. Science is being manipulated by both sides to the extreme right now. Look at the difference in restrictions from state to state. I’m fully vaccinated and trust the science, would attend a show tonight and feel safe. But that’s not a decision I’m allowed to make and won’t be for the foreseeable future. This is not a society of self accountability, was at one time but that ship sailed. San Francisco county is trending at like 20 cases a day yet restaurants are barely allowed to even be open. In D.C. you can’t even dance at private weddings. To expect full blown concerts anytime soon is comical. See you all in 2022 but more likely ‘23 or ‘24. 

RatherStarved

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

I mean, NJ is offering a free beer.  

2-feign-reluctance

lastexit78 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

If waiting on the unvaccinated to see the light is the measure we use to get back to live shows go ahead and consider the most recent show you attended your last. Seriously, just not gonna happen. If the game plan is to protect those who refuse protection by continuing with restrictions be prepared for things to get really ugly in this country by late summer. Best of luck to those who simply say “follow the science” as well. Science is being manipulated by both sides to the extreme right now. Look at the difference in restrictions from state to state. I’m fully vaccinated and trust the science, would attend a show tonight and feel safe. But that’s not a decision I’m allowed to make and won’t be for the foreseeable future. This is not a society of self accountability, was at one time but that ship sailed. San Francisco county is trending at like 20 cases a day yet restaurants are barely allowed to even be open. In D.C. you can’t even dance at private weddings. To expect full blown concerts anytime soon is comical. See you all in 2022 but more likely ‘23 or ‘24. 

And they won’t. This virus will continue to circulate through them just like MMR does through the anti-vaccine folks on occasion. I think 2023 is more than likely too. 

ComeToTX

Full blown festivals will happen this year. 

Weston1283

Glass Animals just announced a fairly large September/October US Tour with intended full capacity

3days

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

Point taken, and you're right... It's tough. 

Personally, I would engage in honest dialogue with someone who trumpets their anti-vax beliefs. I would NOT start the conversation with "Hey Douche Canoe, .... ". I'd listen, and discuss. Chances are you won't turn 'em around on the spot, but you may plant doubt or concern in that person's noggin. You may give that person something to think about. 

I'd tell them the true story of a family friend. He and his family vowed not to get vaccinated. Less than 2 months after telling me that, his wife spent 8 days on a ventilator. To my understanding she's better now, but I can't imagine those 8 days were emotionally easy, or cheap. 

I'd share the fact that none of my vaccinated coworkers have tested positive for Covid-19 despite being in frequent, close contact with positive patients. 

Weston1283

Maybe the promoters know something we don’t.  September 2021 seems to be the return of concerts

Noload

Have the Upcoming Shows been gone from the Tour page for a while?

Weston1283

Noload said:

Have the Upcoming Shows been gone from the Tour page for a while?

They’re all still there for me

Noload

Weston1283 said:

Noload said:

Have the Upcoming Shows been gone from the Tour page for a while?

They’re all still there for me

Guess it's my chrome browser as I see them in mozilla...ok, disregard

Johnny Abruzzo

lastexit78 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

If waiting on the unvaccinated to see the light is the measure we use to get back to live shows go ahead and consider the most recent show you attended your last. Seriously, just not gonna happen. If the game plan is to protect those who refuse protection by continuing with restrictions be prepared for things to get really ugly in this country by late summer. Best of luck to those who simply say “follow the science” as well. Science is being manipulated by both sides to the extreme right now. Look at the difference in restrictions from state to state. I’m fully vaccinated and trust the science, would attend a show tonight and feel safe. But that’s not a decision I’m allowed to make and won’t be for the foreseeable future. This is not a society of self accountability, was at one time but that ship sailed. San Francisco county is trending at like 20 cases a day yet restaurants are barely allowed to even be open. In D.C. you can’t even dance at private weddings. To expect full blown concerts anytime soon is comical. See you all in 2022 but more likely ‘23 or ‘24. 

NY, NJ, CT, PA and DE have announced the end of distancing restrictions and have plans for the end of mask requirements. In PA our governor has been following the science for the most part the whole time, although you could nitpick some inconsistencies here and there. Anyway, I'll down a shot for your "both sides".

Weston1283

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvania-covid-restrictions-lift/2802115/%3famp

Pennsylvania lifting ALL covid restrictions except for mask wearing on May 31

Weston1283

lastexit78 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

If waiting on the unvaccinated to see the light is the measure we use to get back to live shows go ahead and consider the most recent show you attended your last. Seriously, just not gonna happen. If the game plan is to protect those who refuse protection by continuing with restrictions be prepared for things to get really ugly in this country by late summer. Best of luck to those who simply say “follow the science” as well. Science is being manipulated by both sides to the extreme right now. Look at the difference in restrictions from state to state. I’m fully vaccinated and trust the science, would attend a show tonight and feel safe. But that’s not a decision I’m allowed to make and won’t be for the foreseeable future. This is not a society of self accountability, was at one time but that ship sailed. San Francisco county is trending at like 20 cases a day yet restaurants are barely allowed to even be open. In D.C. you can’t even dance at private weddings. To expect full blown concerts anytime soon is comical. See you all in 2022 but more likely ‘23 or ‘24. 

There will be concerts in 2021 and a full return to indoor venues in early 2022.  We can argue all we want, but let me know in September when SeaHearNow goes ahead full force if you still feel this way. 

davidos

Trey Anastasio doing 3 nights at SPAC in June... 30% capacity. Proof of vax or neg test, etc.

We WILL edge closer to more vaccinated people when they realize that they can't do some of the things that others who are vaccinated can freely do (concerts, travel etc.). A lot of Colleges/Universities will be requiring all students to be vaccinated this fall, 12 - 15 year olds will be in line hopefully next week... EV seems to have had a fun, worry free trip to LA for the VAX Live concert. Hopefully that will light a spark with the others in their weekly zoom meetings :-)...

OceansJenny

Weston1283 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvania-covid-restrictions-lift/2802115/%3famp

Pennsylvania lifting ALL covid restrictions except for mask wearing on May 31

Philadelphia keeping to the status quo.

Sounds like when Texas lifted everything - a number of places disregarded and kept the same restrictions they already had. 

So not sure if it’s meaningful.

Johnny Abruzzo

OceansJenny said:

Weston1283 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvania-covid-restrictions-lift/2802115/%3famp

Pennsylvania lifting ALL covid restrictions except for mask wearing on May 31

Philadelphia keeping to the status quo.

Sounds like when Texas lifted everything - a number of places disregarded and kept the same restrictions they already had. 

So not sure if it’s meaningful.

Of course private business can keep safety restrictions. We think Phila. will go along with the rest of PA, NJ & DE. It's quite meaningful.

OceansJenny

Johnny Abruzzo said:

OceansJenny said:

Weston1283 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvania-covid-restrictions-lift/2802115/%3famp

Pennsylvania lifting ALL covid restrictions except for mask wearing on May 31

Philadelphia keeping to the status quo.

Sounds like when Texas lifted everything - a number of places disregarded and kept the same restrictions they already had. 

So not sure if it’s meaningful.

Of course private business can keep safety restrictions. We think Phila. will go along with the rest of PA, NJ & DE. It's quite meaningful.

Fair enough! However friend in Phila said the city has been behind the state and other surrounding states the whole process. She said Philly is saying “maybe mid-June”. 

Still good news though.

Johnny Abruzzo

OceansJenny said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

OceansJenny said:

Weston1283 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvania-covid-restrictions-lift/2802115/%3famp

Pennsylvania lifting ALL covid restrictions except for mask wearing on May 31

Philadelphia keeping to the status quo.

Sounds like when Texas lifted everything - a number of places disregarded and kept the same restrictions they already had. 

So not sure if it’s meaningful.

Of course private business can keep safety restrictions. We think Phila. will go along with the rest of PA, NJ & DE. It's quite meaningful.

Fair enough! However friend in Phila said the city has been behind the state and other surrounding states the whole process. She said Philly is saying “maybe mid-June”. 

Still good news though.

I mean, you can go to a restaurant and eat inside in Philadelphia, if they choose to let you - they just have capacity restrictions. Nothing is really "closed" so the whole "reopening" thing is a misnomer.

3days

lastexit78 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

3days said:

In my honest opinion, the best thing we can do right now is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. As those numbers increase, the gamble becomes a lot less risky.

If you have any strategies for that I'm all ears...

If waiting on the unvaccinated to see the light is the measure we use to get back to live shows go ahead and consider the most recent show you attended your last. Seriously, just not gonna happen. If the game plan is to protect those who refuse protection by continuing with restrictions be prepared for things to get really ugly in this country by late summer. Best of luck to those who simply say “follow the science” as well. Science is being manipulated by both sides to the extreme right now. Look at the difference in restrictions from state to state. I’m fully vaccinated and trust the science, would attend a show tonight and feel safe. But that’s not a decision I’m allowed to make and won’t be for the foreseeable future. This is not a society of self accountability, was at one time but that ship sailed. San Francisco county is trending at like 20 cases a day yet restaurants are barely allowed to even be open. In D.C. you can’t even dance at private weddings. To expect full blown concerts anytime soon is comical. See you all in 2022 but more likely ‘23 or ‘24. 

I do believe that SOME of the unvaccinated will become vaccinated in the coming months. But yes, I would also not hold my breath waiting for all of them to become vaccinated. My opinion is, the more the less scarier. Every shot in the arm is a small victory.

Restrictions aren't always enjoyable, but many seem like a logical way to get to the next step. We might disagree on the level of restrictions, or whether a particular state is acting appropriately, but I think many restrictions are reasonable. For example, I think requesting proof of vaccination, or testing negative for Covid-19 is a reasonable request for a performer to make of his audience. I think wearing a mask indoors is a reasonable request for a business to make of it's customers. 

If people can't simply follow the science, should they simply not follow the science? You can't really manipulate science. Science is science. It's why doctors were so quick to shoot down the idea that the pandemic would go away "like a miracle". Scientists had no reason to believe that things would just blow over, and they declared so... overwhelmingly. If the politicians are trying to spin science, my hope is that people will hold themselves accountable to seek out the truth. If people don't, well that's on them. As for the crowd bemoaning their loss of "freedom", I think they're confusing the word freedom with anarchy. We live in a governed society. There are still rules. 

All that being said, I think festivals will proceed around September. I'm not sure that EVERYTHING will go on, but I suspect most of it will probably reopen. The keys will probably be the great outdoors + increased vaccinations + encouraged mask wearing + the increasing threat of economic collapse. If outdoor events don't become consistent super spreaders, then I think we'll see large indoor events next year or sooner. 

on2legs

PJNB

on2legs said:

Do you still have to be vaccinated or is that not a requirement?

Get_Right

Weston1283 said:

Maybe the promoters know something we don’t.  September 2021 seems to be the return of concerts

They know that people will buy tickets and that they get to hold the cash if it cannot happen.

on2legs

PJNB said:

on2legs said:

Do you still have to be vaccinated or is that not a requirement?