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mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.
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Is there evidence of foreign actors in that tweet?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
You seriously don't think putin on the ritz and his troll farms haven't had a hand in this? You don't think that some of these repub stalwarts aren't compromised in some way, shape or form? You honestly believe this is an organic deplorables uprising? Again, I'll ask, where have they been wronged in everyday life? What grand injustice have they suffered? Unable to discern propaganda from facts, Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat loves the uneducated.mcgruff10 said:
Is there evidence of foreign actors in that tweet?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.
But even so, what is going on with the enablers in elected office and the media? Why this blind loyalty to such a POS? Think there might be film of Murdoch with children? Others in compromising positions and situations? Its unfathomable as to the blind loyalty and there's more to this. Its classic krompromont. Q? Who invented it and where did it come from? Steve Bannon? Putin? Or a true Deep State plant? C'mon, a cabal of child molesting cannibals run the government? How fucked up to you have to be to believe that? And it's always just a reveal away, right?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Did you just write two paragraphs of questions? Dude that might be a record! Congrats!!!Halifax2TheMax said:
You seriously don't think putin on the ritz and his troll farms haven't had a hand in this? You don't think that some of these repub stalwarts aren't compromised in some way, shape or form? You honestly believe this is an organic deplorables uprising? Again, I'll ask, where have they been wronged in everyday life? What grand injustice have they suffered? Unable to discern propaganda from facts, Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat loves the uneducated.mcgruff10 said:
Is there evidence of foreign actors in that tweet?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.
But even so, what is going on with the enablers in elected office and the media? Why this blind loyalty to such a POS? Think there might be film of Murdoch with children? Others in compromising positions and situations? Its unfathomable as to the blind loyalty and there's more to this. Its classic krompromont. Q? Who invented it and where did it come from? Steve Bannon? Putin? Or a true Deep State plant? C'mon, a cabal of child molesting cannibals run the government? How fucked up to you have to be to believe that? And it's always just a reveal away, right?
I was specifically asking about foreign actors being paid to protest last Wednesday (I still haven't seen any evidence of this.)I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
this is just as good. NJ Rep Andy Kim was so upset the destruction he helped clean it up himself.Kat said:A moment of positivity so we can breathe again........
https://people.com/politics/rep-andy-kim-whose-lonely-post-riot-cleanup-went-viral-shares-emotional-reaction-he-received/
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Then we have a Guns N Roses failure to communicate civil war here --mcgruff10 said:
Did you just write two paragraphs of questions? Dude that might be a record! Congrats!!!Halifax2TheMax said:
You seriously don't think putin on the ritz and his troll farms haven't had a hand in this? You don't think that some of these repub stalwarts aren't compromised in some way, shape or form? You honestly believe this is an organic deplorables uprising? Again, I'll ask, where have they been wronged in everyday life? What grand injustice have they suffered? Unable to discern propaganda from facts, Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat loves the uneducated.mcgruff10 said:
Is there evidence of foreign actors in that tweet?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.
But even so, what is going on with the enablers in elected office and the media? Why this blind loyalty to such a POS? Think there might be film of Murdoch with children? Others in compromising positions and situations? Its unfathomable as to the blind loyalty and there's more to this. Its classic krompromont. Q? Who invented it and where did it come from? Steve Bannon? Putin? Or a true Deep State plant? C'mon, a cabal of child molesting cannibals run the government? How fucked up to you have to be to believe that? And it's always just a reveal away, right?
I was specifically asking about foreign actors being paid to protest last Wednesday (I still haven't seen any evidence of this.)
-- I am not saying that russians were in the crowds with MAGA hats on.
Some Swede was though:
Who's the man in the red scarf at the US Capitol? Sweden wants to know
https://www.thelocal.se/20210114/whos-the-man-in-the-red-scarf-at-the-us-capitol-sweden-wants-to-know"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
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I saw that and an interview with him. It's mostly good people out there. We're all going to need to try to fix things and make them better and they give a great example by leading.pjhawks said:
this is just as good. NJ Rep Andy Kim was so upset the destruction he helped clean it up himself.Kat said:A moment of positivity so we can breathe again........
https://people.com/politics/rep-andy-kim-whose-lonely-post-riot-cleanup-went-viral-shares-emotional-reaction-he-received/
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No evidence yet of foreign actors in the capitol riot, no. Clearly the article says that.mcgruff10 said:
Is there evidence of foreign actors in that tweet?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.
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Thanks for clarifying that bud. I am very weary of what is posted on twitter especially after that "no fly list" video.F Me In The Brain said:
No evidence yet of foreign actors in the capitol riot, no. Clearly the article says that.mcgruff10 said:
Is there evidence of foreign actors in that tweet?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.F Me In The Brain said:Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.
This is how so many people found themselves rioting this week.mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t think it was necessary. Trump and the rest of the gop gave them enough ammunition.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So you are saying Russia would not help fuel the flame by pushing shit on social media etc?mcgruff10 said:
You guys are over analyzing this waay to much. Trump tells people to show up. Stop the steal. Trumpsters from across the country show up. Jr and Rudy pump them up. Trump tells followers to March to the capitol. They March. The rest is history.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No russians were going voting in the US election in 2016.mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.
Doesn't mean they didn't have part in the outcome.
I doubt Russians etc only meddle two weeks before an election.
Occam's RazorForeign actors? Hell no.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
Foreign actors? Everyone who was arrested was from the us. I have seen zero evidence of that.what dreams said:I have this feeling that is bigger than Q and Proud Boys and the coalition of white supremacists, and the regular idiots who allowed themselves to be fooled into showing up here. It smells of foreign actors to me. I think there is a whole other national security threat that none of us know about, that they're not revealing in the media (yet). We are in for a long investigation and I think we're going to be terribly, terribly frightened by what we learn almost happened here.I agree. Interesting notion but I think it's a long shot.The whole thing just emanates the feel of angry, poorly educated, gullible people fooled by the Narcissist in Chief.
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Dozens of people on FBI terrorist watch list came to D.C. the day of Capitol riot
By Devlin Barrett, Spencer S. Hsu and Marissa J. Lang
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/terror-watchlist-capitol-riot-fbi/2021/01/14/07412814-55f7-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html
Dozens of people on a terrorist watch list were in Washington for pro-Trump events Jan. 6, a day that ended in a chaotic crime rampage when a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol, according to people familiar with evidence gathered in the FBI’s investigation.
The majority of the watch-listed individuals in Washington that day are suspected white supremacists whose past conduct so alarmed investigators that their names had been previously entered into the national Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, a massive set of names flagged as potential security risks, these people said. The watch list is larger and separate from the “no-fly” list the government maintains to prevent terrorism suspects from boarding airplanes, and those listed are not automatically barred from any public or commercial spaces, current and former officials said.
The presence of so many watch-listed individuals in one place — without more robust security measures to protect the public — is another example of the intelligence failures preceding last week’s fatal assault that sent lawmakers running for their lives, some current and former law enforcement officials argued. The revelation follows a Washington Post report earlier this week detailing the FBI’s failure to act aggressively on an internal intelligence report of Internet discussions about plans to attack Congress, smash windows, break down doors and “get violent . . . go there ready for war.”
[FBI report warned in advance of ‘war’ at the Capitol]
Other current and former officials said the presence of those individuals is an unsurprising consequence of having thousands of fervent Trump supporters gathered for what was billed as a final chance to voice opposition to Joe Biden’s certification as the next president. Still, the revelation underscores the limitations of such watch lists. Although they are meant to improve information gathering and sharing among investigative agencies, they are far from a foolproof means of detecting threats ahead of time.
Since its creation, the terrorist watch list, which is maintained by the FBI, has grown to include hundreds of thousands of names. Placing someone’s name on the watch list does not mean they will be watched all of the time, or even much of the time, for reasons of both practicality and fairness, but it can alert different parts of the government, such as border agents or state police, to look more closely at certain individuals they encounter.
It’s unclear whether any of the dozens of individuals already arrested for alleged crimes at the Capitol are on the terrorist watch list.
“The U.S. Government is committed to protecting the United States from terrorist threats and attacks and seeks to do this in a manner that protects the freedoms, privacy and civil rights and liberties of U.S. persons and other individuals with rights under U.S. law,” a U.S. official said, adding that because of security concerns, the government has a policy of neither confirming nor denying a person’s watch list status.
The FBI declined to comment.
[Trump is isolated and angry at aides for failing to defend him as he is impeached again]
The riot’s political aftershocks led the House of Representatives on Wednesday to impeach President Trump for allegedly inciting the violence — his second impeachment in a single four-year term — and may have significant consequences within law enforcement and national security agencies.
Inside the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, officials are grappling with thorny questions about race, terrorism and free-speech rights, as some investigators question whether more could have been done to prevent last week’s violence.
While some federal officials think the government should more aggressively investigate domestic terrorism and extremists, others are concerned the FBI, DHS and other agencies may overreact to the recent violence by going too far in surveilling First Amendment activity like online discussions.
Several law enforcement officials said they are shocked by the backgrounds of some individuals under investigation in connection with the Capitol riot, a pool of suspects that includes current and former law enforcement and military personnel as well as senior business executives and middle-aged business owners.
“I can’t believe some of the people I’m seeing,” one official said.
[Democrats demand investigation of whether Republicans in Congress aided Capitol rioters]
The TSDB, often referred to within government as simply “the watch list,” is overseen by the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, which was created in the wake of the 9/11 attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. The watch list can be used as both an investigative and early warning tool, but its primary purpose is to help various government agencies keep abreast of what individuals seen as potential risks are doing and where they travel, according to people familiar with the work who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the work is sensitive.
Often that can be done as a “silent hit,” meaning if someone on the watch list is stopped for speeding, that information is typically entered into the database without the individual or even the officer who wrote the ticket ever knowing, one person said.
After the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, for instance, the FBI quickly searched a similar database to see which people on it had recently traveled to that city or raised other suspicions about possible involvement.
Before the Jan. 6 gathering of pro-Trump protesters, FBI agents visited a number of suspected extremists and advised them against traveling to the nation’s capital. Many complied, but according to people familiar with the sprawling investigation, dozens of others, whose names appear in the terrorist watch list, apparently attended, based on information reviewed by the FBI.
[FBI investigating whether some rioters aimed to kill or capture lawmakers]
Separately, while the FBI is hunting hundreds of rioting suspects who have dispersed back to their hometowns, federal agents are increasingly focused on alleged leaders, members, and supporters of the Proud Boys, a male-chauvinist group with ties to white nationalism, these people said.
The Proud Boys participated in last week’s protests, and FBI agents are taking a close look at what roles, if any, their adherents may have had in organizing, directing or carrying out violence, according to people familiar with the matter.
The group’s chairman, Enrique Tarrio, had planned to attend Trump’s Jan. 6 rally but was arrested when he arrived in D.C. and charged with misdemeanor destruction of property in connection with the burning of a Black Lives Matter banner taken from a Black church during an earlier protest in Washington. He is also accused of felony possession of two extended gun magazines.
Tarrio told The Post on Wednesday that his group did not organize the Capitol siege.
“If they think we were organizing going into the Capitol, they’re going to be sadly mistaken,” he said. “Our plan was to stay together as a group and just enjoy the day. We weren’t going to do a night march, anything like that. That’s it as far as our day.”
Tarrio said he’s actively discouraging members from attending planned armed marches scheduled Sunday, and the Million Militia March next week when Biden is inaugurated. Proud Boys, he said, are on a “rally freeze and will not be organizing any events for the next month or so.”
It is unclear how many Proud Boys devotees will abide by the freeze, or if such a shutdown might lessen the FBI’s interest in the group. Even before the Jan. 6 riot, federal and local investigators were working to understand the group’s plans, goals and activities. Privately, some federal law enforcement officials have described the group as roughly equivalent to a nascent street gang that has garnered an unusual degree of national attention, in part because Trump mentioned them specifically during one his televised debates with Biden during the campaign. Other officials have expressed concern that the group may be growing rapidly into something more dangerous and directed.
The FBI has already arrested dozens of accused rioters, and officials have pledged that in cases of the most egregious conduct, they will seek to file tough, rarely used charges like seditious conspiracy, which carries a potential 20-year prison sentence.
The bureau continues to face blowback over its handling of a Jan. 5 internal report warning of discussions of violence at Congress the next day. Steven M. D’Antuono, the head of the FBI’s Washington Field Office, claimed in the days after the riot that the bureau did not have intelligence ahead of time indicating the rally would be anything other than a peaceful demonstration.
The Jan. 5 FBI report, written by the bureau’s office in Norfolk, and reviewed by The Post, shows that was not the case, and the Justice Department took other steps indicating officials were at least somewhat concerned about possible violence the next day. The Bureau of Prisons sent 100 officers to D.C. to supplement security at the Justice Department building, an unusual move similar to what the department did in June to respond to civil unrest stemming from racial justice protests.
Mindful of the criticism that law enforcement took a heavy-handed, all-hands-on-deck approach to Black Lives Matters protests in D.C. in the spring and summer, Justice Department officials deferred to the Capitol Police to defend their building and lawmakers there. Some former officials have questioned whether the FBI and Justice Department should have done more.
“It would not have been enough for the bureau simply to share information, if it did so, with state and local law enforcement or federal partner agencies,” said David Laufman, a former Justice Department national security official. “It was the bureau’s responsibility to quarterback a coordinated federal response as the crisis was unfolding and in the days thereafter. And it’s presently not clear to what extent the FBI asserted itself in that fashion during the exigencies of January 6 and in the immediate aftermath.”
Matt Zapotosky contributed to this report.
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They knew and did nothing?!?mickeyrat said:Dozens of people on FBI terrorist watch list came to D.C. the day of Capitol riot
By Devlin Barrett, Spencer S. Hsu and Marissa J. Lang
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/terror-watchlist-capitol-riot-fbi/2021/01/14/07412814-55f7-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html
Dozens of people on a terrorist watch list were in Washington for pro-Trump events Jan. 6, a day that ended in a chaotic crime rampage when a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol, according to people familiar with evidence gathered in the FBI’s investigation.
The majority of the watch-listed individuals in Washington that day are suspected white supremacists whose past conduct so alarmed investigators that their names had been previously entered into the national Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, a massive set of names flagged as potential security risks, these people said. The watch list is larger and separate from the “no-fly” list the government maintains to prevent terrorism suspects from boarding airplanes, and those listed are not automatically barred from any public or commercial spaces, current and former officials said.
The presence of so many watch-listed individuals in one place — without more robust security measures to protect the public — is another example of the intelligence failures preceding last week’s fatal assault that sent lawmakers running for their lives, some current and former law enforcement officials argued. The revelation follows a Washington Post report earlier this week detailing the FBI’s failure to act aggressively on an internal intelligence report of Internet discussions about plans to attack Congress, smash windows, break down doors and “get violent . . . go there ready for war.”
[FBI report warned in advance of ‘war’ at the Capitol]
Other current and former officials said the presence of those individuals is an unsurprising consequence of having thousands of fervent Trump supporters gathered for what was billed as a final chance to voice opposition to Joe Biden’s certification as the next president. Still, the revelation underscores the limitations of such watch lists. Although they are meant to improve information gathering and sharing among investigative agencies, they are far from a foolproof means of detecting threats ahead of time.
Since its creation, the terrorist watch list, which is maintained by the FBI, has grown to include hundreds of thousands of names. Placing someone’s name on the watch list does not mean they will be watched all of the time, or even much of the time, for reasons of both practicality and fairness, but it can alert different parts of the government, such as border agents or state police, to look more closely at certain individuals they encounter.
It’s unclear whether any of the dozens of individuals already arrested for alleged crimes at the Capitol are on the terrorist watch list.
“The U.S. Government is committed to protecting the United States from terrorist threats and attacks and seeks to do this in a manner that protects the freedoms, privacy and civil rights and liberties of U.S. persons and other individuals with rights under U.S. law,” a U.S. official said, adding that because of security concerns, the government has a policy of neither confirming nor denying a person’s watch list status.
The FBI declined to comment.
[Trump is isolated and angry at aides for failing to defend him as he is impeached again]
The riot’s political aftershocks led the House of Representatives on Wednesday to impeach President Trump for allegedly inciting the violence — his second impeachment in a single four-year term — and may have significant consequences within law enforcement and national security agencies.
Inside the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, officials are grappling with thorny questions about race, terrorism and free-speech rights, as some investigators question whether more could have been done to prevent last week’s violence.
While some federal officials think the government should more aggressively investigate domestic terrorism and extremists, others are concerned the FBI, DHS and other agencies may overreact to the recent violence by going too far in surveilling First Amendment activity like online discussions.
Several law enforcement officials said they are shocked by the backgrounds of some individuals under investigation in connection with the Capitol riot, a pool of suspects that includes current and former law enforcement and military personnel as well as senior business executives and middle-aged business owners.
“I can’t believe some of the people I’m seeing,” one official said.
[Democrats demand investigation of whether Republicans in Congress aided Capitol rioters]
The TSDB, often referred to within government as simply “the watch list,” is overseen by the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, which was created in the wake of the 9/11 attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. The watch list can be used as both an investigative and early warning tool, but its primary purpose is to help various government agencies keep abreast of what individuals seen as potential risks are doing and where they travel, according to people familiar with the work who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the work is sensitive.
Often that can be done as a “silent hit,” meaning if someone on the watch list is stopped for speeding, that information is typically entered into the database without the individual or even the officer who wrote the ticket ever knowing, one person said.
After the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, for instance, the FBI quickly searched a similar database to see which people on it had recently traveled to that city or raised other suspicions about possible involvement.
Before the Jan. 6 gathering of pro-Trump protesters, FBI agents visited a number of suspected extremists and advised them against traveling to the nation’s capital. Many complied, but according to people familiar with the sprawling investigation, dozens of others, whose names appear in the terrorist watch list, apparently attended, based on information reviewed by the FBI.
[FBI investigating whether some rioters aimed to kill or capture lawmakers]
Separately, while the FBI is hunting hundreds of rioting suspects who have dispersed back to their hometowns, federal agents are increasingly focused on alleged leaders, members, and supporters of the Proud Boys, a male-chauvinist group with ties to white nationalism, these people said.
The Proud Boys participated in last week’s protests, and FBI agents are taking a close look at what roles, if any, their adherents may have had in organizing, directing or carrying out violence, according to people familiar with the matter.
The group’s chairman, Enrique Tarrio, had planned to attend Trump’s Jan. 6 rally but was arrested when he arrived in D.C. and charged with misdemeanor destruction of property in connection with the burning of a Black Lives Matter banner taken from a Black church during an earlier protest in Washington. He is also accused of felony possession of two extended gun magazines.
Tarrio told The Post on Wednesday that his group did not organize the Capitol siege.
“If they think we were organizing going into the Capitol, they’re going to be sadly mistaken,” he said. “Our plan was to stay together as a group and just enjoy the day. We weren’t going to do a night march, anything like that. That’s it as far as our day.”
Tarrio said he’s actively discouraging members from attending planned armed marches scheduled Sunday, and the Million Militia March next week when Biden is inaugurated. Proud Boys, he said, are on a “rally freeze and will not be organizing any events for the next month or so.”
It is unclear how many Proud Boys devotees will abide by the freeze, or if such a shutdown might lessen the FBI’s interest in the group. Even before the Jan. 6 riot, federal and local investigators were working to understand the group’s plans, goals and activities. Privately, some federal law enforcement officials have described the group as roughly equivalent to a nascent street gang that has garnered an unusual degree of national attention, in part because Trump mentioned them specifically during one his televised debates with Biden during the campaign. Other officials have expressed concern that the group may be growing rapidly into something more dangerous and directed.
The FBI has already arrested dozens of accused rioters, and officials have pledged that in cases of the most egregious conduct, they will seek to file tough, rarely used charges like seditious conspiracy, which carries a potential 20-year prison sentence.
The bureau continues to face blowback over its handling of a Jan. 5 internal report warning of discussions of violence at Congress the next day. Steven M. D’Antuono, the head of the FBI’s Washington Field Office, claimed in the days after the riot that the bureau did not have intelligence ahead of time indicating the rally would be anything other than a peaceful demonstration.
The Jan. 5 FBI report, written by the bureau’s office in Norfolk, and reviewed by The Post, shows that was not the case, and the Justice Department took other steps indicating officials were at least somewhat concerned about possible violence the next day. The Bureau of Prisons sent 100 officers to D.C. to supplement security at the Justice Department building, an unusual move similar to what the department did in June to respond to civil unrest stemming from racial justice protests.
Mindful of the criticism that law enforcement took a heavy-handed, all-hands-on-deck approach to Black Lives Matters protests in D.C. in the spring and summer, Justice Department officials deferred to the Capitol Police to defend their building and lawmakers there. Some former officials have questioned whether the FBI and Justice Department should have done more.
“It would not have been enough for the bureau simply to share information, if it did so, with state and local law enforcement or federal partner agencies,” said David Laufman, a former Justice Department national security official. “It was the bureau’s responsibility to quarterback a coordinated federal response as the crisis was unfolding and in the days thereafter. And it’s presently not clear to what extent the FBI asserted itself in that fashion during the exigencies of January 6 and in the immediate aftermath.”
Matt Zapotosky contributed to this report.0 -
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Jayden X who was on CNN getting his two minutes arrested too. Claims he is a journalist but his Twitter acct full of MAGA shit. Add some more felons to the growing list.mickeyrat said:guy with confederate flag andhis son arrested. from deleware.....0
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