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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,458
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,548
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
    But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

    That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

    I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

    Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,458
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
    But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

    That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

    I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

    Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

    big stretch.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 28,676
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
    But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

    That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

    I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

    Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.
    I didn't say i was "right," in your conjecture. I asked if anyone thought it was possible. Its not like its unknown that law enforcement and military folks are white supremacists or that members of law enforcement are being investigated for a potential role. Big stretch, sure. Just like the existence of a PTAPE is a big stretch, knowing what we do of POOTWH proclivities and past behavior.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,548
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
    But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

    That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

    I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

    Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.
    I didn't say i was "right," in your conjecture. I asked if anyone thought it was possible. Its not like its unknown that law enforcement and military folks are white supremacists or that members of law enforcement are being investigated for a potential role. Big stretch, sure. Just like the existence of a PTAPE is a big stretch, knowing what we do of POOTWH proclivities and past behavior.
    Fair enough.  I'd say even odds on the ptape, 20-1 on this issue. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,955
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,973
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
    That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

    He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,671
    k, the word "stretch" might have been misused. I'll just say I don't think it's appropriate. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,671
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 
    There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.
    sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,458
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
    That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

    He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

    wrote a threatening note to pence on the dias desk.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,548
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
    That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

    He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  
    Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,967
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.



  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 28,676
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 
    There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.
    sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 27,671
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 
    There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.
    sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 
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    i did. i had the same thought, but thought better of expressing it this early. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,973
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
    That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

    He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  
    Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 
    I give him credit for having a full bar in his dorm room.  And I mean he sold beverages at the bar.  

    That lasted about a week but still...
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,548
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
    That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

    He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  
    Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 
    I give him credit for having a full bar in his dorm room.  And I mean he sold beverages at the bar.  

    That lasted about a week but still...
    helluva week.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

    good.
    That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

    He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  
    Probably just a huge fan of Samuel L Jackson in Die Hard 3.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 28,676
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Can you link us to the condemnation from the repubs, repub party and POOTWH, please. I haven't seen much. Links to quotes would be appreciated. Did POOTWH visit the families of the fallen or any of the injured? I haven't heard that he did. Like everything else, use 'em and abuse 'em. I guess getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and beaten to death isn't "targeting cops?" Or crushing a cop up against a door frame and purposely closing his face shield repeatedly, making it more difficult for him to breathe, wasn't "targeting a cop?" Or ramming a fence wicket through a cops arm wasn't "targeting a cop?" Guess their uniforms and badges didn't matter and they were just in the way?Good lord.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,577
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    edited January 29
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Can you link us to the condemnation from the repubs, repub party and POOTWH, please. I haven't seen much. Links to quotes would be appreciated. Did POOTWH visit the families of the fallen or any of the injured? I haven't heard that he did. Like everything else, use 'em and abuse 'em. I guess getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and beaten to death isn't "targeting cops?" Or crushing a cop up against a door frame and purposely closing his face shield repeatedly, making it more difficult for him to breathe, wasn't "targeting a cop?" Or ramming a fence wicket through a cops arm wasn't "targeting a cop?" Guess their uniforms and badges didn't matter and they were just in the way?Good lord.
    I've heard numerous republican leaders speak out against it, and not a single one publicly condoning it. I know how most feel about Fox News here, but this was the first story that popped up when I searched "republicans capitol hill riot." There are many more stories with more examples of republicans speaking out against it. Do you have a single example of any republican figure condoning it? I've be very interested in see it if anyone had.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-politicians-condemn-violence-at-capitol-call-for-an-end-to-riots

    No, Trump didn't reach out. I don't see how that is relevant though. He was pretty much silent and remained out of public view for the next 2 weeks with just a couple exceptions. 

    Yes, many cops were injured and 1 even killed during the riot. But I was talking about the response to the riot, not the riot itself, which is what the meme was referring to-the response to the riot and the lack of Blue LM comments. There has been widespread outrage over the riot. It doesn't seem necessary to me to cry out "Blue Lives Matter" as a response, when the response is overwhelming angry that this happened from all sides and all people. I just don't see what the comment of "The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening." says about anything. Like everyone else, I've been outspoken against the riot. Do I need to include Blue LM in my comments when condemning the riots? I don't see the purpose in that since the riots have been accepted as wrong by just about everyone.
    Thats different than the summer when you did hear support for Blue LM. Many were condoning the riots, saying its the only way to get change, accepting that violence against police was okay. That warrants a response of Blue LM.

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,852
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific NorthwestPosts: 5,063
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
    Didn't really matter before, either. The 6th exposed that. Just a racially-charged retort to BLM, as stated above.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    edited January 29
    Hobbes said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
    Didn't really matter before, either. The 6th exposed that. Just a racially-charged retort to BLM, as stated above.
    I've had this argument a few times before. I just have to say I strongly disagree. Blue LM wasn't about saying Black lives don't matter. It was a response to the violence that targeting police. I recognize that most of the protests were peaceful, but if some of the protests didn't turn into riots or violence targeting police, Blue LM never would have happened. In this current culture we are in it seems like we are either for black lives or for police lives (or against police violence). I don't understand why we can't be for both, I am.
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,577
    edited January 29
    mace1229 said:
    Hobbes said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
    Didn't really matter before, either. The 6th exposed that. Just a racially-charged retort to BLM, as stated above.
    I've had this argument a few times before. I just have to say I strongly disagree. Blue LM wasn't about saying Black lives don't matter. It was a response to the violence that targeting police. I recognize that most of the protests were peaceful, but if some of the protests didn't turn into riots or violence targeting police, Blue LM never would have happened. In this current culture we are in it seems like we are either for black lives or for police lives (or against police violence). I don't understand why we can't be for both, I am.
    Blue Lives Matter was a racist Dog Whistle long before the protests last summer.  As soon as people started banding together under the Black Lives Matter maybe around Ferguson the Blue Lives Matter fools made it up for the exact purpose of negating that Black Lives Matter.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Hobbes said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
    Didn't really matter before, either. The 6th exposed that. Just a racially-charged retort to BLM, as stated above.
    I've had this argument a few times before. I just have to say I strongly disagree. Blue LM wasn't about saying Black lives don't matter. It was a response to the violence that targeting police. I recognize that most of the protests were peaceful, but if some of the protests didn't turn into riots or violence targeting police, Blue LM never would have happened. In this current culture we are in it seems like we are either for black lives or for police lives (or against police violence). I don't understand why we can't be for both, I am.
    Blue Lives Matter was a racist Dog Whistle long before the protests last summer.  As soon as people started banding together under the Black Lives Matter maybe around Ferguson the Blue Lives Matter fools made it up for the exact purpose of negating that Black Lives Matter.
    Police have been killed in protests long before this summer too.
    2016, 12 cops shot and 5 killed by a gunman targetting police out of his hate for white police officers. Does that not deserve a response of Blue Lives Matter? When are we allowed to say a cop's life matters?
    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dallas-police-ambush/protests-spawn-cities-across-u-s-over-police-shootings-black-n605686
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,263
    edited January 29
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Hobbes said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
    Didn't really matter before, either. The 6th exposed that. Just a racially-charged retort to BLM, as stated above.
    I've had this argument a few times before. I just have to say I strongly disagree. Blue LM wasn't about saying Black lives don't matter. It was a response to the violence that targeting police. I recognize that most of the protests were peaceful, but if some of the protests didn't turn into riots or violence targeting police, Blue LM never would have happened. In this current culture we are in it seems like we are either for black lives or for police lives (or against police violence). I don't understand why we can't be for both, I am.
    Blue Lives Matter was a racist Dog Whistle long before the protests last summer.  As soon as people started banding together under the Black Lives Matter maybe around Ferguson the Blue Lives Matter fools made it up for the exact purpose of negating that Black Lives Matter.
    I don’t remember hearing about it until after the officers were shot in Dallas at the BLM protest.
    Edit:  Wikipedia I know, but I remember now what kicked Blue Lives Matter off:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lives_Matter#History
    Post edited by PJPOWER on

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Hobbes said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.


    Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

    Dude Blue Lives Matter is just a subtle way for assholes to say black lives don’t matter, always has been always will be.
    Yep.  Blue lives didn't really matter much on the 6th, nor in the aftermath. 

    Of course nobody's coming out and saying the rioting was good (not even the people that clearly wanted it to be successful). But I'm not really seeing a lot of them Backing the Blue, either.
    Didn't really matter before, either. The 6th exposed that. Just a racially-charged retort to BLM, as stated above.
    I've had this argument a few times before. I just have to say I strongly disagree. Blue LM wasn't about saying Black lives don't matter. It was a response to the violence that targeting police. I recognize that most of the protests were peaceful, but if some of the protests didn't turn into riots or violence targeting police, Blue LM never would have happened. In this current culture we are in it seems like we are either for black lives or for police lives (or against police violence). I don't understand why we can't be for both, I am.
    Blue Lives Matter was a racist Dog Whistle long before the protests last summer.  As soon as people started banding together under the Black Lives Matter maybe around Ferguson the Blue Lives Matter fools made it up for the exact purpose of negating that Black Lives Matter.
    I don’t remember hearing about it until after the officers were shot in Dallas at the BLM protest.
    Edit:  Wikipedia I know, but I remember now what kicked Blue Lives Matter off:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lives_Matter#History
    Just to clarify, it wasn't an BLM protest. It was a lone guy who never claimed affiliation with any group. That doesn't make a difference in supporting Blue Lives in my opinion, just wanted to clarify.
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