2021 European Tour Announcement

Apone · December 2020

BlueLedbetter said:

UK has approved first vaccine for use roll out to start next week, id say euro shows have a chance of going ahead although still 50/50

Yes it's definitley looking more possible for next summer now....

drfox · December 2020

I’m wondering if we will get half a tour. I can easily see a situation where countries that got in early and preordered the vaccine, like the UK, are all vaccinated before June whereas others are still mid-way through their vaccination rollout

BlueLedbetter · December 2020

drfox said:

I’m wondering if we will get half a tour. I can easily see a situation where countries that got in early and preordered the vaccine, like the UK, are all vaccinated before June whereas others are still mid-way through their vaccination rollout

Thats possible but would they go ahead or delay another year until the whole thing can go ahead

PJNB · December 2020

Apone said:

BlueLedbetter said:

UK has approved first vaccine for use roll out to start next week, id say euro shows have a chance of going ahead although still 50/50

Yes it's definitley looking more possible for next summer now....

It will be up to the governments of each country to give the thumbs up to concerts again to have this work as we all know. To have them all line up will be a tough feat. When Pearl Jam delayed the tour a full year you have to guess that this is the exact best case scenario that they were hoping for aside from this virus magically disappearing. Fingers crossed everything lines up.

RatherStarved · December 2020

It is very good news. I saw however that Dr. Fauci is saying late summer at the earliest for full stadiums in America. I think a lot of stars would have to align for the Euro tour to work out in June/July.

chilisuarez · December 2020

PJNB said:

Gravey1975 said:

There's obviously economic pressure for governments to reopen society as much as possible. So how many need to be vaccinated before things open back up? As some have already mentioned - a sizeable number are idiotic anti-vaxxers. Meanwhile the sheer logistical challenge of getting a population vaccinated in one fell swoop means that it could take a long time to get a good proportion done, by which time those who were in the initial wave might even need top-ups. We dont know. But I foresee a situation where governments are going to have to reopen well before perhaps even half are vaccinated. Make sure the vulnerable and elderly are safe, and the rest - who will most likely be ill but not require hospital treatment - will have to take personal responsibility for their own safety.

It is projected right now in the USA that all vulnerable people from the virus will get their shot/shots before April. I would assume other countries are following the same timeline. That leaves plenty of time for those that are not vulnerable to get the shot as well and have things open up next summer. It is very doable barring no large hiccups. If that timeline holds I am a bit surprised at all of the people on this board still think shows should not happen next year. If the vulnerable are protected months before the shows what else are we waiting for to open up to going to concerts again?

The Canadian government *hopes* to have us all vaccinated by the end of 21. I don't see a summer tour happening unfortunately and I have tickets for most the shows and a son who lives in Germany who I desperately want to see.
It can't even be reasonably planned by anyone at this point, travelling between countries, airline and hotel reservations; it's literally impossible to plan. I think we're going to be waiting till at least 22 unfortunately.

PJNB · December 2020

chilisuarez said:

PJNB said:

Gravey1975 said:

There's obviously economic pressure for governments to reopen society as much as possible. So how many need to be vaccinated before things open back up? As some have already mentioned - a sizeable number are idiotic anti-vaxxers. Meanwhile the sheer logistical challenge of getting a population vaccinated in one fell swoop means that it could take a long time to get a good proportion done, by which time those who were in the initial wave might even need top-ups. We dont know. But I foresee a situation where governments are going to have to reopen well before perhaps even half are vaccinated. Make sure the vulnerable and elderly are safe, and the rest - who will most likely be ill but not require hospital treatment - will have to take personal responsibility for their own safety.

It is projected right now in the USA that all vulnerable people from the virus will get their shot/shots before April. I would assume other countries are following the same timeline. That leaves plenty of time for those that are not vulnerable to get the shot as well and have things open up next summer. It is very doable barring no large hiccups. If that timeline holds I am a bit surprised at all of the people on this board still think shows should not happen next year. If the vulnerable are protected months before the shows what else are we waiting for to open up to going to concerts again?

The Canadian government *hopes* to have us all vaccinated by the end of 21. I don't see a summer tour happening unfortunately and I have tickets for most the shows and a son who lives in Germany who I desperately want to see.
It can't even be reasonably planned by anyone at this point, travelling between countries, airline and hotel reservations; it's literally impossible to plan. I think we're going to be waiting till at least 22 unfortunately.

Ya the governments have the final say and Pearl Jam is not going to do anything reckless. That said if in fact most people that are vulnerable to this virus are vaccinated by April in most countries as planned what is stopping us from opening it all back up?

RatherStarved · December 2020

PJNB said:

chilisuarez said:

PJNB said:

Gravey1975 said:

There's obviously economic pressure for governments to reopen society as much as possible. So how many need to be vaccinated before things open back up? As some have already mentioned - a sizeable number are idiotic anti-vaxxers. Meanwhile the sheer logistical challenge of getting a population vaccinated in one fell swoop means that it could take a long time to get a good proportion done, by which time those who were in the initial wave might even need top-ups. We dont know. But I foresee a situation where governments are going to have to reopen well before perhaps even half are vaccinated. Make sure the vulnerable and elderly are safe, and the rest - who will most likely be ill but not require hospital treatment - will have to take personal responsibility for their own safety.

It is projected right now in the USA that all vulnerable people from the virus will get their shot/shots before April. I would assume other countries are following the same timeline. That leaves plenty of time for those that are not vulnerable to get the shot as well and have things open up next summer. It is very doable barring no large hiccups. If that timeline holds I am a bit surprised at all of the people on this board still think shows should not happen next year. If the vulnerable are protected months before the shows what else are we waiting for to open up to going to concerts again?

The Canadian government *hopes* to have us all vaccinated by the end of 21. I don't see a summer tour happening unfortunately and I have tickets for most the shows and a son who lives in Germany who I desperately want to see.
It can't even be reasonably planned by anyone at this point, travelling between countries, airline and hotel reservations; it's literally impossible to plan. I think we're going to be waiting till at least 22 unfortunately.

Ya the governments have the final say and Pearl Jam is not going to do anything reckless. That said if in fact most people that are vulnerable to this virus are vaccinated by April in most countries as planned what is stopping us from opening it all back up?

Public health officials are risk managers. They will likely say everyone is potentially vulnerable. They’re prioritizing those who are statistically most likely to get severe disease for earlier vaccinations but they don’t consider there to be herd immunity through vaccine until something like 75% of all people have had the shot.

bootlegger10 · December 2020

The government will have a tougher time getting away with determining what businesses are deemed essential and what business they continue to crush after a few months of people getting vaccinated.

PJNB · December 2020

We will never get to 75% of people in each nation getting the vaccine though I do not think. To say we need herd immunity (we will not get there with a vaccine in the next couple of years at the very least due to antivaxxers and children not getting it) to go back to normal would be a huge mistake imo and the civil unrest will be justified for those that took the vaccine. If hospitalizations are way down as I expect them to be in April I am all for finally going back to normal and that includes packed concerts. If you are not that is ok too and you can opt out. Not saying anyone specifically here but just in general.

tino_11 · December 2020

Might not be applicable to arena shows, but I’ve just read that the people running both Glastonbury and Reading and Leeds Festivals say they are very confident that their events will go ahead next year. Their confidence is based on progress with testing for COVID rather than vaccinations.

Another thread of hope to cling on to!

RatherStarved · December 2020

PJNB said:

We will never get to 75% of people in each nation getting the vaccine though I do not think. To say we need herd immunity (we will not get there with a vaccine in the next couple of years at the very least due to antivaxxers and children not getting it) to go back to normal would be a huge mistake imo and the civil unrest will be justified for those that took the vaccine. If hospitalizations are way down as I expect them to be in April I am all for finally going back to normal and that includes packed concerts. If you are not that is ok too and you can opt out. Not saying anyone specifically here but just in general.

I’m just saying public health officials might not let people decide for themselves.

HailHailVitalogy · December 2020

I’m not sure what to do here. I have tickets for 6 Europe shows and 2 EuroCup matches. Planned on 6-8 weeks in Europe from DC. I’m just not confident, but also don’t want to miss out on the cost to book right now for June. Even if half of Europe is vaccinated by May, there’s still going to be restrictions in June, July, and August right? Everyone’s going to be traveling over the summer, even with a vaccine numbers will go up again...meaning I see masks at shows and it being an absolute shit show to get into the venues.

RatherStarved · December 2020

HailHailVitalogy said:

I’m not sure what to do here. I have tickets for 6 Europe shows and 2 EuroCup matches. Planned on 6-8 weeks in Europe from DC. I’m just not confident, but also don’t want to miss out on the cost to book right now for June. Even if half of Europe is vaccinated by May, there’s still going to be restrictions in June, July, and August right? Everyone’s going to be traveling over the summer, even with a vaccine numbers will go up again...meaning I see masks at shows and it being an absolute shit show to get into the venues.

Nobody really knows what will happen - personally I’d hold off on booking a flight until there is more clarity, unless the flight is refundable.

BlueLedbetter · December 2020

HailHailVitalogy said:

I’m not sure what to do here. I have tickets for 6 Europe shows and 2 EuroCup matches. Planned on 6-8 weeks in Europe from DC. I’m just not confident, but also don’t want to miss out on the cost to book right now for June. Even if half of Europe is vaccinated by May, there’s still going to be restrictions in June, July, and August right? Everyone’s going to be traveling over the summer, even with a vaccine numbers will go up again...meaning I see masks at shows and it being an absolute shit show to get into the venues.

Its being said that there will still be some restrictions basically until everyone is vaccinated. I was initially hopeful it was at least 50/50 of it all going ahead but in the UK they are now saying the vulnerable will be vaccinated by spring, previously they said all adults by spring so chances of the tour seem to be slipping away.

RatherStarved · December 2020

BlueLedbetter said:

HailHailVitalogy said:

I’m not sure what to do here. I have tickets for 6 Europe shows and 2 EuroCup matches. Planned on 6-8 weeks in Europe from DC. I’m just not confident, but also don’t want to miss out on the cost to book right now for June. Even if half of Europe is vaccinated by May, there’s still going to be restrictions in June, July, and August right? Everyone’s going to be traveling over the summer, even with a vaccine numbers will go up again...meaning I see masks at shows and it being an absolute shit show to get into the venues.

Its being said that there will still be some restrictions basically until everyone is vaccinated. I was initially hopeful it was at least 50/50 of it all going ahead but in the UK they are now saying the vulnerable will be vaccinated by spring, previously they thsaid all adults by spring so chances of the tour seem to be slipping away.

And even if the UK gives the all-clear there are a dozen other countries on the tour. What are the odds that all of them are in a position for this to happen safely in 6-7 months from now, including there being freedom of movement across borders.

BlueLedbetter · December 2020

RatherStarved said:

BlueLedbetter said:

HailHailVitalogy said:

I’m not sure what to do here. I have tickets for 6 Europe shows and 2 EuroCup matches. Planned on 6-8 weeks in Europe from DC. I’m just not confident, but also don’t want to miss out on the cost to book right now for June. Even if half of Europe is vaccinated by May, there’s still going to be restrictions in June, July, and August right? Everyone’s going to be traveling over the summer, even with a vaccine numbers will go up again...meaning I see masks at shows and it being an absolute shit show to get into the venues.

Its being said that there will still be some restrictions basically until everyone is vaccinated. I was initially hopeful it was at least 50/50 of it all going ahead but in the UK they are now saying the vulnerable will be vaccinated by spring, previously they thsaid all adults by spring so chances of the tour seem to be slipping away.

And even if the UK gives the all-clear there are a dozen other countries on the tour. What are the odds that all of them are in a position for this to happen safely in 6-7 months from now, including there being freedom of movement across borders.

Slim I think might just be a few months too soon for the tour to go ahead, although I guess if the Oxford vaccine is approved soon things could speed up

EMC77 · December 2020

RatherStarved said:

BlueLedbetter said:

HailHailVitalogy said:

I’m not sure what to do here. I have tickets for 6 Europe shows and 2 EuroCup matches. Planned on 6-8 weeks in Europe from DC. I’m just not confident, but also don’t want to miss out on the cost to book right now for June. Even if half of Europe is vaccinated by May, there’s still going to be restrictions in June, July, and August right? Everyone’s going to be traveling over the summer, even with a vaccine numbers will go up again...meaning I see masks at shows and it being an absolute shit show to get into the venues.

Its being said that there will still be some restrictions basically until everyone is vaccinated. I was initially hopeful it was at least 50/50 of it all going ahead but in the UK they are now saying the vulnerable will be vaccinated by spring, previously they thsaid all adults by spring so chances of the tour seem to be slipping away.

And even if the UK gives the all-clear there are a dozen other countries on the tour. What are the odds that all of them are in a position for this to happen safely in 6-7 months from now, including there being freedom of movement across borders.

I read that the EU could ask for a vaccination certificate to cross borders as a way to convince people who is reluctant to get the vaccine.

But the fact is that by now there are no vaccines for everyone, they will come through 2021 and there is an order to get the vaccine, whether you want it or not. In my country, Spain, the government does not expect to vaccinate regular adult population before the summer, cos first will go people +65, health workers, people with health issues and essential workers.

So I'm sure I won't be vaccinated by july, and if the certificate is compulsory, and the tour goes on as planned, I won't be able to go to the concerts I have tickets for.

Gravey1975 · December 2020

You folks might know better than me: if it's not possible for the band to play all of the euro tour dates as measures are still in place in some nations, will the band likely cancel ALL dates or only the non-festival ones? In other words, how problematic is it for the band to pull out of a headline slot in a festival (hyde park, Lollapalooza, etc) because the rest of the tour is cancelled if the festivals they are signed on to play are still going ahead? Is it likely they'll still play them or cancel do you think? Will give the organisers a big headache if they pull out. But i guess we're in uncharted territory with all of this.

bootlegger10 · December 2020

Perhaps they add more shows in countries they can play in and drop the ones they can’t play.

Move these shows to large outdoor stadiums. Will be easier to distance if capacity limited to arena attendance.

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