The coronavirus

lastexit78 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

lastexit78 said:

OnWis97 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc) 

Would save a lot of elderly people every year

You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...

americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".

because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.

I don't think this is an american thing

It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places.  America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.

Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.

Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass. 

Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78:   I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him. 

My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California.  I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates.  During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise.  He handled that very calmly.

So what is it about him that vexes you so?

Personally I'm indifferent to Newson. Overall he's handled the pandemic better than most governors and that's saying something because this state is WAY more politically diverse than most people realize. I have a lot of family and friends on the conservative side and they see him as an elitist. They see a 5% positivity rate and 78,000 or whatever ICU beds available and question why we under such harsh restrictions. Most of my family lives in a bordering county that's had 1,800 cases and a total of 4 deaths. I hear it everyday from them about how those numbers don't equate to what we are being asked to sacrifice. At this point I just tell them to wear masks and keep distancing but the message isn't landing because the haven't really been "hit" yet. Newsom yesterday admitted we are in a better place than most states but that he holds us to a higher standard. That's a tough message to sell when businesses are going bankrupt in counties who've seen little to no impact. Plus he made his own blunder that the far right instantly pounced on. I suppose if we had a proper federal response governors wouldn't be put in these positions but we know how that went. In the meantime time the message just isn't landing like it did in April or July. It's falling on deaf and angry ears at this point.

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

lastexit78 said:

OnWis97 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc) 

Would save a lot of elderly people every year

You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...

americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".

because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.

I don't think this is an american thing

It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places.  America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.

Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.

Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass. 

Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78:   I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him. 

My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California.  I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates.  During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise.  He handled that very calmly.

So what is it about him that vexes you so?

Im assuming that post was referring to his dinner party from 10 days ago, while shaming everyone to stay at home.

I did not see that.  Was he really shaming people or was he simply making suggestions or giving advice.  The word "shaming" has become quite in vogue and gets tossed around a lot these days.  I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am very suspicious lately of these terms that get tossed around so easily- things like "snowflake", "shaming", "fascist", "radical", and "socialist", etc.  

I don't know if you'd call it guilting or shaming, but I'm pretty sure he had messages of "stay home and you'll save lives" when he puts in place his restrictions. Then to not do it yourself looks pretty bad, even if you don't agree with my use of shaming. But I equate a message of "do this to save lives" as on the same level of saying you're killing people if you don't, and to me that's shaming. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.

is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out. 

Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.

Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".

Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.

This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party allegiance so what do I know.

The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.

The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.

is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out. 

Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.

Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".

Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.

This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party allegiance so what do I know.

The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.

The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.

Again, I do not worship either party. A stimulus package should not contain anything other than that. I can only assume this one does and you are overseeing my issue by dismissing that and making it a blame game instead. I see this as a problem that neither side can hide from. Is this about those who actually need assistance or being allowed to slip party agendas into a bill? 

What one side considers fat or waste, the other considers stimulus. The senate could vote this down and demand a clean bill, which would be progress. They’re not. They’re hiding behind vague negotiations. They should do their job and live with the consequences. The dems did. And please spare me the purity worship BS. Maybe Moscow Mitchy Baby wants another tax cut for the top 1%? But we don’t know because he’s hiding behind the fat?

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

lastexit78 said:

OnWis97 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc) 

Would save a lot of elderly people every year

You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...

americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".

because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.

I don't think this is an american thing

It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places.  America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.

Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.

Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass. 

Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78:   I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him. 

My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California.  I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates.  During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise.  He handled that very calmly.

So what is it about him that vexes you so?

Aside from his smarminess (a personal take), his bullet train to nowhere wasted a shitload of taxpayer money, he sucks on our homeless situation  and you don’t beg your so-called constituents to exercise extreme caution, avoid others, etc, and then flout his hypocrisy by attending a fancy staff dinner. 

Fuck him. And his lackey, Garcetti too. 

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

lastexit78 said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

lastexit78 said:

OnWis97 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc) 

Would save a lot of elderly people every year

You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...

americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".

because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.

I don't think this is an american thing

It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places.  America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.

Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.

Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass. 

Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78:   I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him. 

My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California.  I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates.  During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise.  He handled that very calmly.

So what is it about him that vexes you so?

Personally I'm indifferent to Newson. Overall he's handled the pandemic better than most governors and that's saying something because this state is WAY more politically diverse than most people realize. I have a lot of family and friends on the conservative side and they see him as an elitist. They see a 5% positivity rate and 78,000 or whatever ICU beds available and question why we under such harsh restrictions. Most of my family lives in a bordering county that's had 1,800 cases and a total of 4 deaths. I hear it everyday from them about how those numbers don't equate to what we are being asked to sacrifice. At this point I just tell them to wear masks and keep distancing but the message isn't landing because the haven't really been "hit" yet. Newsom yesterday admitted we are in a better place than most states but that he holds us to a higher standard. That's a tough message to sell when businesses are going bankrupt in counties who've seen little to no impact. Plus he made his own blunder that the far right instantly pounced on. I suppose if we had a proper federal response governors wouldn't be put in these positions but we know how that went. In the meantime time the message just isn't landing like it did in April or July. It's falling on deaf and angry ears at this point.

I probably ought to know the answer, but what blunder did he make?  (It might be news that happened during the three days I was out with vertigo and migraine.)

Yes, Calif. is thought of as totally liberal which, of course, you and I know is not the case.  I will say though, despite living in one of our most conservative counties (El Dorado County voted  53.2% for Trump,  44.5% for Biden in a state that went 67.3% Biden, 34.1% Trump), I'm glad to see most people wearing masks and being careful here.  At least from what I've seen.

By the way, as noted above, far-right has not a thing to do with my response to his “blunder”. Hell, politics and parties don’t even enter the equation for me (unheard of, I know!); it has to do with common sense and accountability. 

I’m sick of this “do as I say” bullshit.