The coronavirus
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Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.0 -
Agreed thats symptomatic cases.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
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People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.0 -
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.0 -
The kids have been awesome. They wear their masks from 7:15-11:30 without complaining. The measures that we have put in place (no group work, no switching classes, no lunch) seem to be working. (knock on wood)dignin said:
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.
Any student with a symptom (headache, sore throat , etc) or has an immediate family member who tests positive is sent home for two weeks. During that time the parent can either take the kid for a covid test or have the student go full virtual for that time.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
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I bet how the teachers act and educate on the virus plays a huge roll as well. If you are a teacher who believes in the virus and that masks work you will enforce it more and it will trickle down to the students.mcgruff10 said:
The kids have been awesome. They wear their masks from 7:15-11:30 without complaining. The measures that we have put in place (no group work, no switching classes, no lunch) seem to be working. (knock on wood)dignin said:
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.
Any student with a symptom (headache, sore throat , etc) or has an immediate family member who tests positive is sent home for two weeks. During that time the parent can either take the kid for a covid test or have the student go full virtual for that time.0 -
Dude, I absolutely get it. Schools are open. Only a few cases are being reported in SOME schools. Congrats on all the people making it work. You don't need to lecture me, a teacher, on what extraordinary lengths schools are doing to pull off this fucking miracle, no matter where we are teaching from.dignin said:
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.
It is you clearly doesn't what I'm saying. If our goal is to keep the infection rate down *everywhere,* four cases in a school means more than four cases *everywhere else.* That remains a problem, no matter where the fucking outbreak originated.
And to my point about known cases. Here is the Virginia schools dashboard. Note the asterisk below the data table "Numbers suppressed to protect anonymity." We are NOT being told the full story about CoVid in schools.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/outbreaks-in-school-settings/
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Schools here are having more cases than you seem to be there.
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
We still have not stepped foot in a classroom in our district and I don’t see it happening this school year. It’s really upsetting when you hear the positive stories about it being done safely. Glad it’s working well in your area.mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing0 -
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I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.PJNB said:
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.0 -
Give yourself a pat on the back because teachers are one of the biggest reasons this is working. I'm extremely grateful that my kids can continue to go to school, you guys are a lifesaver.mcgruff10 said:
The kids have been awesome. They wear their masks from 7:15-11:30 without complaining. The measures that we have put in place (no group work, no switching classes, no lunch) seem to be working. (knock on wood)dignin said:
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.
Any student with a symptom (headache, sore throat , etc) or has an immediate family member who tests positive is sent home for two weeks. During that time the parent can either take the kid for a covid test or have the student go full virtual for that time.0 -
This is truedignin said:
Give yourself a pat on the back because teachers are one of the biggest reasons this is working. I'm extremely grateful that my kids can continue to go to school, you guys are a lifesaver.mcgruff10 said:
The kids have been awesome. They wear their masks from 7:15-11:30 without complaining. The measures that we have put in place (no group work, no switching classes, no lunch) seem to be working. (knock on wood)dignin said:
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.
Any student with a symptom (headache, sore throat , etc) or has an immediate family member who tests positive is sent home for two weeks. During that time the parent can either take the kid for a covid test or have the student go full virtual for that time.
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To the highlighted portion. Bullshit. My son is in grade one and is deaf. He has an in class interpreter and has made huge strides educationally and developmentally since going back to school in the fall. It's absolutely necessary for his development to be in school with his peers (who are also learning sign) and interpreter. Without school we don't have access to that priceless resource.what dreams said:
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.PJNB said:
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
So don't pretend you have any idea what parents are going through or their situations.
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I disagree 100% based solely on what I have witnessed in grades k-8. In person teaching is the way to go; teaching via zoom is total garbage. What disruptions are you seeing?what dreams said:
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.PJNB said:
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Totally agree with you bud. My son is also in grade one and is high functioning autistic. he really really struggles on the zoom but excels in the classroom.dignin said:
To the highlighted portion. Bullshit. My son is in grade one and is deaf. He has an in class interpreter and has made huge strides educationally and developmentally since going back to school in the fall. It's absolutely necessary for his development to be in school with his peers (who are also learning sign) and interpreter. Without school we don't have access to that priceless resource.what dreams said:
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.PJNB said:
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.what dreams said:
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.PJNB said:
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.what dreams said:
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community?mcgruff10 said:
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).oftenreading said:
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.mcgruff10 said:
Yes! I love it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
My sisters kids too.mcgruff10 said:
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.OnWis97 said:
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.mace1229 said:
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.HughFreakingDillon said:lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
So don't pretend you have any idea what parents are going through or their situations.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
My brother is the assistant principal at a small rural school. He told me he knows there are families that are sick, but will not get tested because they do not want the school to close or go to distance learning. The county my brothers school is in has had one of the highest rates of new cases in the state but no kids or their families are, or have tested, positive?!? Really?!?
i honestly believe there are a lot of families that are being very quiet about COVID infections to keep the schools and daycare centers open. In some ways I don’t fault them. In my house, myself and wife are dealing with COVID, and we have had our three year old home for two weeks now and possibly for another 2-3 weeks. All this while trying to hold down full time jobs. It’s stressful. Luckily, we both are working from home, and my boss is being very flexible with my hours/workload. I can only imagine how hard this would be if we actually had to go into an office.Post edited by jerparker20 on0
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